disbot3 <antononcube> It seems that "fez" does not upload packages. 00:38
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disbot3 <aruniecrisps> @SmokeMachine, i have a question, can Red models map to SQL views or materialized views? 00:52
SmokeMachine aruniecrisps: yes, it can: github.com/FCO/Red/blob/a6758a423a...akutest#L4 00:54
disbot3 <aruniecrisps> Thanks! 00:57
<aruniecrisps> exactly what i was looking for!
SmokeMachine I should add an entry the cookbook for that... 00:58
disbot3 <aruniecrisps> I was also curious about Cromponent, was wondering if it was meant specifically to be used in tandem with cro templates? one of the biggest pain points for me using cro was the compile times on the templates for even small projects 01:00
SmokeMachine ye, it was... but librasteve is using that on his module getting rid of cro template, maybe you could use that if you don't want to use cro templates. Cromponent will compile the template of a module while compiling that module, maybe it could help? 01:03
aruniecrisps: ☝️ 01:04
disbot3 <aruniecrisps> yea i might end up using Air::Functional in that case 01:05
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disbot3 <simon_sibl> I see, thank you for the precision 🙏 04:05
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disbot3 <librasteve> weekly: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/7...132#800132 07:19
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librasteve_ weekly: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/7...132#800132 07:20
notable6 librasteve_, Noted! (weekly)
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disbot3 <librasteve> @aruniecrisps - Air::Functional is my alternate proposal to Cro templates … it’s just some libraries that run raku and emit HTML so no template repository compile step … you can control the cycle time if you break up your web app into rakumod files since they are pre compiled also. The Air::Component piece of Air is just a thin layer on Cromponent. The third main part, Air::Base provides convenience libation of pre build 07:29
Air::Components and Page, Nav, Site classes but you should be able to use each piece independently.
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disbot3 <melezhik.> .tell tonyo: the one which is here - github.com/melezhik/sparky in META6 file , but I guess it’s issues on Raku.land site ? 08:27
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melezhik_ .tell tonyo - I have uploaded it again now - sparky.sparrowhub.io/report/releas...-zef/25739 , let's see what it does ... 08:58
tellable6 melezhik_, I'll pass your message to tonyo
melezhik_ cc ^^^ JRaspass 08:59
tellable6 2025-10-01T21:17:37Z #raku <tonyo> melezhik: what is the version?
2025-10-02T05:48:22Z #raku-dev <patrickb> melezhik: No progress yet. First step would be to curate a list of precise architectures we'd like to support. Then see if there are online services that allow building there.
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JRaspass I've made a small change to raku.land to skip over cpan rsync failures for now (most dists come from zef these days anyways), so re-indexing should be working now 09:46
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tbrowder erg, my raku foo is disappearing rapidly...in a single module file: can i predeclare a sub Z, have the following sub A use it, then define sub Z following sub A's use of it? 10:58
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lizmat you shouldn't worry about that 10:58
m: sub a() { z }; sub z { say "foo" }; a 10:59
camelia foo
lizmat subroutines don't need to be pre-declared, classes do
tbrowder ah, right, thanks! 11:00
lizmat m: class A { method a() { B.new } }; class B {
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Missing block
at <tmp>:1
------> ss A { method a() { B.new } }; class B {<HERE><EOL>
lizmat m: class A { method a() { B.new } }; class B { }
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Illegally post-declared type:
B used at line 1
lizmat m: class B { ... }; class A { method a() { B.new } }; class B { } 11:01
camelia ( no output )
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tbrowder um, if i am exporting such a class from a sub, does "is export" go on the forward decl or the def or both or? 11:04
i'm advertising a new AI product: ChatLIZ 11:05
lizmat how would you export a class from a sub ? 11:06
tbrowder m: class A is export {} 11:07
camelia ( no output )
lizmat if you don't prefix it with "my" the export isn't necessary
melezhik_ . 11:08
tbrowder ok, thanks again!
melezhik_ .tell patrickb: it'd be cool to add binary for arm64and risc-v - it'd be extremely helpful for folks from rocky linux team. No pressure though )) 11:10
tellable6 melezhik_, I'll pass your message to patrickb
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tbrowder if i define a class Z in module A::Classes, how do i create an instance of it in module A? 11:30
my $obj = A::Classes..... 11:32
or my $obj = Z.new: .... 11:33
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tbrowder ah, the old package lookup syntax... 11:55
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tonyo tbrowder caused the problem, tbrowder solved it : ) 15:33
tellable6 2025-10-01T18:09:26Z #raku <melezhik_> tonyo: I have uploaded new version of Sparky via fez upload few hours ago, but still don't see it on raku.land
2025-10-01T18:10:10Z #raku <melezhik_> tonyo: here the manifest - github.com/melezhik/sparky
2025-10-02T08:58:50Z #raku <melezhik_> tonyo - I have uploaded it again now - sparky.sparrowhub.io/report/releas...-zef/25739 , let's see what it does ...
tonyo melezhik: what version of fez is this and what version of sparky? can you add those to your build steps in the future? 15:34
tellable6 tonyo, I'll pass your message to melezhik_
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melezhik_ . 16:12
tellable6 2025-10-02T15:34:30Z #raku <tonyo> melezhik: what version of fez is this and what version of sparky? can you add those to your build steps in the future?
melezhik_ .tell tonyo: added github.com/melezhik/ci.sparrowhub/...869a487ea2
tellable6 melezhik_, I'll pass your message to tonyo
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tonyo yikes 16:30
tellable6 2025-10-02T16:12:46Z #raku <melezhik_> tonyo: added github.com/melezhik/ci.sparrowhub/...869a487ea2
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[Coke] Trying to use rakudo-star docker container; if I run a raku script, I get a note that IO::Socket::SSL is not installed. if I specifically install it with zef, it succeeds, and then I run the test, and immediately get an error to Please install IO::Socket::SSL 16:38
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[Coke] ah. "don't install with --/test the first time you do something" 16:43
ok, next problem, rakudo-star:latest doesn't have sudo in it?? 16:54
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ugexe [Coke]: or do --/test --test-depends 17:27
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ugexe --/test implies --/test-depends, but you can explicitly make it still download those dependencies with --test-depends 17:28
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[Coke] oh, no, it's that none of the tests worked, but I didn't realize it 18:01
sorry I wasn't clear.
so I installed it, but then the thing that ran it said "oh, https didn't work, you must have to install IO::Socket::SSL'
and because rakudo-star:latest doesn't have sudo on it, I have to jump through a small hoop to get a star container I can install libssl-dev on. 18:02
disbot3 <aruniecrisps> @librasteve I’m looking into it right now, it’s solid work you’ve done 18:05
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disbot3 <librasteve> Air::Functional is trying to mimic elmlang - turns out that the standard raku sub syntax can be bent to the purpose 18:24
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disbot3 <librasteve> anyway - please do feedback and I would welcome others to join in the Air work ... there is much to be done! 18:25
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disbot3 <aruniecrisps> There is one idea that I had: raku has really good support for heredocs and multiline strings quotations; and it has a robust interpolation system through its adverbs 18:44
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disbot3 <aruniecrisps> I was thinking maybe perhaps there would be a way to maybe add an adverb or possibly a new quotation operator altogether that auto sanitizes HTML 19:00
tbrowder tonyo: mea culpa 19:11
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disbot3 <librasteve> good idea 20:02
<librasteve> I guess you mean like JSX? 20:03
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disbot3 <librasteve> nevertheless, I much prefer the functional approach (like in elmlang) 20:05
<librasteve> cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/633...f291a&
<librasteve> I suppose I think that there are coders who know (only) HTML and then JSX is comfortable and there are coders who know raku and want to make HTML without all the angle bracket noise 20:06
<librasteve> so that ^^ footer vs. this vv 20:08
<librasteve> footer p ['Aloft on ', b 'Åir'],
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disbot3 <aruniecrisps> @librasteve yea basically JSX except we’re just rendering HTML; I figured that it might be worth it 20:19
<aruniecrisps> Or rather the dev is writing HTML
<aruniecrisps> Although your approach does make it a lot easier to do what Seaside in the Smalltalk world does or what the stateful server library in the Racket world allows you to do: basically embedding much of the logic in the HTML generation itself to tightly couple the backend and fronted for things like shopping carts and whatnot 20:22
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disbot3 <librasteve> lol - well raku is home to a bunch of us misfits and contrarians - it is true that Air (aka HARC) is quite opinionated in terms of clean / functional (raku) code - I hereby extend a welcome to you (& others) to come and help the HARC stack project 20:28
<librasteve> me I am allergic to HTML <> angle brackets in my code
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disbot3 <librasteve> (but in raku, there are many ways to success) 20:30
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disbot3 <aruniecrisps> Yea that’s what I love about Raku, it’s extensible enough where I almost do whatever I want with the language and it’s absurdly powerful 20:31
<aruniecrisps> It honestly reminds a lot of Lisps; i think Raku and maybe Nim are the closest I’ve seen a C-like language get to that level of extensibility 20:32
<librasteve> =b 20:35
<librasteve> would you mind doing a mini project with Air::Functional and then giving your review / feeback? 20:36
<aruniecrisps> That was actually my plan
<aruniecrisps> I can write a blog post on it at some point
<librasteve> that would be great
<librasteve> tx! 20:37
<librasteve> must sleep 20:38
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stanrifkin Can I use two parameters in an circumfix operator overload? termbin.com/vvfr 22:00
Voldenet m: sub circumfix:<a b>(@a) { @a.map("<"~*~">").say }; a 1, 2 b 22:09
camelia (<1> <2>)
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Voldenet m: sub circumfix:<a b>(@a where *.elems == 2) { @a.map("<"~*~">").say }; a 1, 2 b # if you need the constraint 22:10
camelia (<1> <2>)
stanrifkin parenthesis `() can't get overloaded? 22:11
Voldenet maybe they can, but I don't know how 22:14
it may have something to do with sub calling
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Voldenet m: sub circumfix:<[ ]>(@a where *.elems == 2) { @a.map("<"~*~">").say }; [1, 2] # this can, so maybe I don't know the syntax for () 22:15
camelia (<1> <2>)
stanrifkin I tried this, termbin.com/10o9 22:16
But it seems not possible
Voldenet m: say list 1^..10 # these are more idiomatic fwiw 22:17
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stanrifkin Yeah, I know. The idea was to use parenthesis. 22:18
Voldenet let's wait, maybe someone knowing will show up, because it sounds like something that could be possible 22:21
tonyo there is RyML that gives you a templating in code like JSX 22:23
so long as you're doing HTML but it can be extended and or the same basic idea used for custom markup generation
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stanrifkin termbin.com/k0vds 22:45
it seems circumfix operator depends on its initial symbol
left hand side symbol
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