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disbot4 <librasteve> @aruniecrisps … I would much prefer your improvements to help the whole community.., that way you get the satisfaction of seeing your work getting used and helping us all … but please review the license as to how your work can be used… 13:09
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Voldenet sadly, the reality is that it's faster to add improvements to forked project and never merge it back 14:32
I do that too, especially when my changes would be controversial 14:33
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disbot4 <antononcube> 💯 14:38
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arkiuat Voldenet, so I guess that's what leads to the "rust-like situation where you have N libs for basic stuff" that you mentioned the other day 15:02
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ugexe i imagine the N libs problem i other languages is moreso because of resume driven development 15:06
Voldenet arkiuat: actually, rust has insanely frugal stdlib 15:09
disbot4 <antononcube> For the record, my Raku development efforts are very "resume driven."
Voldenet it can be fixed, of course, dotnet has this problem for no json library for a while, so many libraries for json were built over time
but then dotnet team picked the most popular library, borrowed a lot of apis from it, implemented it in the stdlib and in the end, people gradually stop using old json libs 15:11
forks are hardly a problem in all this, most approaches are rewrites of the same thing 15:13
but the lesson learned IMO is that large stdlib is good 15:14
disbot4 <antononcube> Isn't another lesson to just avoid Rust? 15:15
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ugexe why would one avoid rust if that is the best tool for the job 15:39
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Voldenet Not entirely, but rust libs requiring 90 dependencies are no-go 15:45
melezhik_ .
Some people keep using Sparky/Raku to test RL distribution - fresh repos - github.com/ctrliq/sparky-chyrp/tree/main
github.com/ctrliq/sparky-nfs 15:46
github.com/ctrliq/sparky-dnf
Voldenet nice 15:47
melezhik_ especially I am exited they use Sparrow6 Check DSL everywhere - github.com/ctrliq/sparky-dnf/blob/...task.check 15:48
excited )
Voldenet yeah, check dsl looks as minimal as it gets
melezhik_ this allow write check commands on bash and then just checks the output whatever comes out - github.com/ctrliq/sparky-chyrp/blo...task.check 15:49
Voldenet hm, so that means you can pretty much copy the valid output to checks? 15:50
melezhik_ the output is generated by task.bash command - github.com/ctrliq/sparky-chyrp/blo.../task.bash 15:52
STDOUT to be accurate
this is kinda black box testing
or I have a better term for it - "message oriented testing" 15:53
or "small talk testing" ))
Voldenet I like it, it's how people test things ;) 15:54
melezhik_ so systems communicate with each other by saying things , it's does not matter what's inside of every black box, but we just rely on fact that if system behaves correctly it says correct phrases
"I like it, it's how people test things ;)" - yup
it works well for fast tests development
also check dsl allows checks things like sequential phrases , Raku regexes in phrases or phases between phrases ... 15:55
also for phase producers like Bash where we are limited by programming language itself we simplify testing by just producing valid output where it's structured or not 15:56
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Geth vim-raku: arunvickram++ created pull request #41:
Modify raku syntax +keywords +word-boundaries		 20:33
disbot5 <aruniecrisps> @librasteve I've opened a pull request here for those that are interested github.com/Raku/vim-raku/pull/41
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[Coke] hey, the docs site has several sections for "coming to raku from language <x>" - would love it if we had volunteers to "own" those language sections, to edit them (esp. the p5 ones!), make sure the examples are great, etc. 23:06
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github.com/Raku/doc/issues?q=is%3A...anguage%22
ooh, github added issue types 23:17
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