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| Geth | docker: 3366cd371d | AntonOks++ | 6 files Bump to 2026.04 [skip workflow] |
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| apogee_ntv | All of my regularly updated packages CI is now free of node 20. | 10:06 | |
| disbot2 | <librasteve> \o/ | ||
| apogee_ntv | If anyone uses msvc-dev-cmd in CI feel free to use my fork: github.com/m-doughty/msvc-dev-cmd | ||
| I had to bump some deps to make it pass npm audit. | 10:08 | ||
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| disbot2 | <librasteve> npm 🤮 🤮 🤮 | 10:16 | |
| apogee_ntv | Yes, hate node but most of the actions use it :( | 10:19 | |
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| apogee_ntv | Almost as bad as python | 10:19 | |
| I would rather write C++ than either of them | 10:20 | ||
| with cmake | 10:21 | ||
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| apogee_ntv | At least the C++ will probably still work in 5yrs. | 10:23 | |
| librasteve_ | i have made a toy DSL - can use to test Selkie::UI … github.com/librasteve/Actionable/b...e_dsl.raku | ||
| the output is text - like:- | 10:24 | ||
| www.irccloud.com/pastebin/SiJW4V5P | |||
| disbot2 | <librasteve> Smokemachine: ^^ | ||
| <librasteve> so no need for HTML / PDF rendering in the view (at least not for MLP) | 10:25 | ||
| <librasteve> would be good to have a view on Grammar::Tracer | |||
| apogee_ntv | I'm currently building a bundler that pulls a bunch of stuff for Selkie apps to be 1 click install across platforms. | 10:27 | |
| The pain is real | |||
| Why cant all platforms just use flatpak like civilized OS's? | |||
| Apple has flatpak but you pay $99/yr for it | 10:28 | ||
| Windows has hey you should write stuff everywhere and btw uninstallers are really fun to write. | |||
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| apogee_ntv | I'm running into an intermittent spesh bug I think on 2026.03 -- it's hard to nail a repro but it's trying to cast a P6bigint into int and crashing. | 10:44 | |
| I got around it by adding a nqp::isbig_I check and no-oping on 1 but not sure why the misspec is being hit, I need to deep dive into spesh code at some point. | 10:45 | ||
| (the bigint seems to be confined to 1 hot pane on terminal resize where it's probably the OS doing something stupid and reporting a massive coord) | 10:47 | ||
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| apogee_ntv | Might be a missing deopt guard | 11:04 | |
| (I am guessing, I haven't explored yet) | 11:05 | ||
| lizmat | if you're running on Intel hardware, it might be a JIT issue as well | ||
| MVM_JIT_DISABLE=1 would disable that | 11:06 | ||
| apogee_ntv | I'm on M4 Max. | 11:13 | |
| Apple Silicon. I do have an Intel machine I can test on. | 11:14 | ||
| Xeon though | |||
| Not sure if that matters | |||
| lizmat | if it happens on Apple silicon, it's not the JIT :-) | 11:15 | |
| as ARM processors don't hae JITv | |||
| apogee_ntv | I need to learn moarvm code I think :D | ||
| Then I can be helpful :D | |||
| Any good reading or just read the source? | 11:16 | ||
| lizmat | 6guts.wordpress.com has a lot of instructive materials | 11:17 | |
| remastered versions at: raku.github.io/CCR/Remaster/Jonath...rthington/ | 11:18 | ||
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| m6locks | did jnthn quit | 11:27 | |
| lizmat | I like to think of him being on an extended undetermined length leave | 11:33 | |
| apogee_ntv | Thanks, will make sure to read through. | 11:34 | |
| Happy to help with VM stuff where I can. | |||
| lizmat | ++apogee_ntv | 11:36 | |
| any MoarVM specific questions should probably be asked on #moarvm :-) | 11:39 | ||
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| apogee_ntv | Yeah I am in there :D | 11:51 | |
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| disbot2 | <librasteve> massive kudos to jnthn - he did an enormous amount of work and had the vision for many aspects of where we are now - Cro, AST to mention but two | 12:10 | |
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| apogee_ntv | K trying to do something ambitious today: mouse support in Selkie | 12:23 | |
| fml why do I torture myself | |||
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| apogee_ntv | Pushing Selkie 0.6.0 with mouse support. | 16:04 | |
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| librasteve_ | apogee_ntv ++ | 16:30 | |
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| lizmat | apogee_ntv++ | 17:44 | |
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| apogee_ntv | raku.land/zef:apogee/Noise::Simplex::Native ~2900x faster than Noise::Simplex | 18:00 | |
| timo | i bet a mature C compiler can do a lot with SIMD in a simplex noise implementation | 18:01 | |
| apogee_ntv: i'd be interested in details about the spesh bug you've spotted in 2026.03 | 18:08 | ||
| if it reliably crashes and otherwise behaves deterministically, you can use the spesh bisect tool to find the first specialization that is created in the crashing case | 18:12 | ||
| if the crash is hard to provoke reliably, a recording with `rr` can be extremely useful. `rr pack` makes it possible to share with other computers, though I'm not sure about different architectures | |||
| lizmat | timo: afaik, apogee_ntv is on Apple silicon | 18:13 | |
| timo | ios on apple silicon or something like asahi linux? | 18:14 | |
| sorry, macos obviously | |||
| lizmat | yeah | ||
| timo | then I don't think rr would run | 18:15 | |
| but hopefully it reproduces cleanly on linux and not just on macos | 18:30 | ||
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