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| rf | Hmm, what's the most supported template engine for Raku right now? (I can't use Mustache sadly) | 00:47 | |
| Nemokosch | Well, the Template Toolkit kind of system (Template6 it is called iirc) needs further care, I can say that first-hand | 00:51 | |
| (although I wouldn't mind a "customer" because I want to change the raku.org templating system to that :D) | |||
| rf | I would really like to use Handlebars or something like erb | ||
| Hmm there is a Mojo template port maybe I'll check that out | 00:52 | ||
| Nemokosch | be warned that any tadzik module in 2023 is the polar opposite of supported. If it works - excellent. If it doesn't, well, then you're screwed, or at least invited to shamelessly adopt it | 00:54 | |
| Template6 works now, as far as I'm concerned. It just can't do nearly as many things as I'd wish... | 00:55 | ||
| there is also RakuClosures or how Richard named it - that one is really like, "let's run functions where the symbols are registered", perhaps you know already | 00:56 | ||
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| rf | Looks like Template::Classic does some nice stuff | 01:06 | |
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| rf | Wow signature type is weird.... | 01:24 | |
| shmup | i found this that is 3 years old but still may prove relevant, rf. has a summary of benchmarks at the bottom too gist.github.com/pheix/2632f286368e...9d07b3f4b6 | 01:35 | |
| rf | Hah, I was just reading this | 01:36 | |
| I think I settled on Template6. | 01:37 | ||
| Anton Antonov | Any suggestions for "more mature" alternatives of "HTML::Escape"? (@Nemokosch suggested "HTML::Entity::Fast", but that was producing certain mis-alignments in the HTML code.) | 01:39 | |
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| rf | So is CALL-ME inherently exported? | 01:59 | |
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| Anton Antonov | Well, I removed the dependency on "HTML::Escape" from "Markdown::Grammar" -- I will upload the new version in the next few hours. | 02:06 | |
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| rf | m: my %foo; %foo<bar>.push: 123; %foo.say; | 02:32 | |
| camelia | {bar => [123]} | ||
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| guifa | dang I could have sworn that we had actually implemented different rounding modes in core | 02:51 | |
| seems like it got left in the air | |||
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| leont | A templating system could benefit greatly (performance-wise) from a RakuAST based implementation | 03:08 | |
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| rf | Hmm, I wonder how much work it would be to make a DSL similar to Clojure's Hiccup or OCaml's TyXML | 03:39 | |
| Voldenet | that doesn't sound complicated | 03:52 | |
| m: sub el(*%attrs, *@children) { %attrs, @children }; sub div(|c) { el :element<div>, |c }; sub a(|c) { el :element<a>, |c }; say a :href("x"), [div []] | |||
| camelia | ({element => a, href => x} [{element => div} []]) | ||
| Voldenet | why would one make a DSL with it | ||
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| Voldenet | using methods is probably better for type checking too | 03:56 | |
| rf | I think there is something very nice and elegant about html dsl's plus I think it would be faster than templating engines | 03:58 | |
| You can also do some typing and try to ensure valid HTML | 03:59 | ||
| Voldenet | but templates' language can be considered a dsl as well, and they can be compiled in to the same form at some point | 04:01 | |
| though proper dsl are going to be faster to parse by design, I guess | 04:02 | ||
| rf | Yeah, and they don't rely on ugly conditional logic | ||
| You can write your logic in Raku which is always nice. | 04:03 | ||
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| rf | Goodnight folks | 04:09 | |
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| Nemokosch | Re RakuAST and templating - sprintf itself is such a thing in 6.e iirc | 07:43 | |
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| rf | Good morning folks | 13:25 | |
| SmokeMachineERC | Morning! | 13:36 | |
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| Nemokosch | I have an interesting case where the same private distro (with a CLI) works with recent Rakudo versions but with 2022.02 it just gives the usage back without any particular remarks | 15:22 | |
| I'm using Getopt::Long for what it's worth | 15:23 | ||
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| rf | Not sure what you mean Nemo' | 15:25 | |
| shmup | little nemo | ||
| Nemokosch | that the CLI fails with a one year old Rakudo without really giving any hints why | 15:26 | |
| rf | Which CLI | ||
| Nemokosch | the CLI of the particular tool I've built for work | ||
| rf | Hmm, that is odd, is it just 2022.02 or does older work lol? | 15:27 | |
| Nemokosch | I didn't try - the only reason I'm bringing up this particular version is that the guy who took over said "hm, it doesn't work on the test server" | 15:28 | |
| and that one had this version so I quickly set it up for myself and indeed it doesn't | |||
| rf | Any way to upgrade version on server without big pain? | ||
| Nemokosch | I hope so | 15:29 | |
| truth be told, I wrote that script in a quite bleeding-edge way, so the sole fact that it might fail with fairly new versions even, wouldn't be surprising | |||
| the bothersome thing is the way the error happens - the CLI just gives the usage back, without giving any hints what might have failed | |||
| rf | Maybe it is due for refactoring then. | 15:30 | |
| Nemokosch | sadly it's quite intrinsic for the whole CLI parsing that it gives you no idea what went wrong... | 15:34 | |
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| [Coke] | using Text::CSV, trying to switch from using a hardcoded relative path to a relative path constructed with $*PROGRAM.parent....child... and it's just hanging. weird. I can read in the file manually and emit the first line, but csv() just hangs. | 15:45 | |
| [Coke] finds github.com/Tux/CSV/issues/21 | 15:57 | ||
| shmup | Well, this is still here. Guess will have to fix it. | 15:58 | |
| quoting, and reassiging the quote to [Coke] :P | 15:59 | ||
| El_Che | shmup: feature request had tab support for nick completion for the discord nicks :) | 16:00 | |
| shmup | it works! they just have to appear in your history first | 16:01 | |
| that's just standard irssi stuff afaik haha | |||
| i can tab complete Nemokosch for example | |||
| El_Che: tell me more though, like, any annoyances, and i will def chew on it. lmk what you're experiencing rn with tab completion :P | |||
| El_Che | mmm | 16:03 | |
| now it works | |||
| N+tab gives Nemokosch | |||
| weird | |||
| shmup | hmmm, lmk if it's weird again heh | ||
| [Coke] | that doesn't work here, fwiw. | 16:04 | |
| "nemo<tab>" gives me nothing on irssi | |||
| shmup | github.com/shmup/irssi-scripts/blo...renamer.pl | ||
| it will if you use that and give it a bit of time for Nemokosch to say something again :P | |||
| El_Che | my machine was rebooted by the hoster | ||
| so a new irssi session | |||
| shmup | word | ||
| El_Che | that's the only difference between testing when you posted and now | 16:05 | |
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| shmup | test | 16:11 | |
| shmup | just pushed a lil change but it isn't important to point out hehe | 16:12 | |
| ugexe | [Coke]: I don't think it understand IO::Path values | 16:16 | |
| when you passed a hard coded relative path, was it a string or IO::Path? | |||
| when it encounters an :$in argument type it doesn't have a case for (like IO::Path) it just waits for input on $*IN -- github.com/Tux/CSV/blob/fc7a1e3d48...1753-L1755 | 16:17 | ||
| i imagine github.com/Tux/CSV/blob/fc7a1e3d48...1661-L1663 could be changed to `when Str|IO::Path` | |||
| [Coke] | Strings worked. I had issues with just ~$dir-obj, but $dir-obj.relative works OK | 16:22 | |
| ugexe | .relative returns a string | ||
| [Coke] | Yes. | ||
| ugexe | although so would ~$dir-obj | ||
| hmm | 16:23 | ||
| [Coke] | those strings are different on windows in git bash | ||
| one has mixed /'s and \'s, but .relative is uniform. | |||
| ugexe | you mentioned earlier using $*PROGRAM.child.whatever which likely was returning IO::Path | ||
| [Coke] | Yes. | ||
| ugexe | odd, i don't think the slashes should matter | 16:24 | |
| [Coke] | I'm fixing up a bunch of $dayjob stuff that really needed you to run everything from folder <x>, which doesn't work great in general. | ||
| (and I don't want to make this stuff installable, which would also fix that issue) | |||
| ugexe | the only difference was the mixed slashes vs uniform slashes? | 16:25 | |
| like in what worked and what didnt work | 16:26 | ||
| [Coke] | yup | ||
| (I only tried it with git bash, didn't also try cmd) | 16:27 | ||
| ugexe | ah, that'd be interesting to try. i'm not sure how exactly things would work in git bash | 16:33 | |
| why use git bash though instead of just bash? | |||
| [Coke] | ... because I'm on windows? | ||
| ugexe | doesn't windows come with bash now? | ||
| i.e. wsl | |||
| [Coke] | and I got git bash for "free" when I installed the git tools. | ||
| Sure, probably, but I'm not using WSL. | |||
| I tend to use git bash for misc. scripting (usually with raku), powershell for snippets I absolutely must have working for other non-developer users, and the VS cmd prompt just for building & debugging raku | 16:34 | ||
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| ugexe | what is `say $*VM.osname` under git bash? | 16:38 | |
| or `say $*SPEC` | 16:40 | ||
| [Coke] | Win32 | 16:42 | |
| mswin32 | 16:43 | ||
| er, spec is first in that list. same results on git bash and CMD (it's the same raku, built in CMD using VS command line tools) | 16:44 | ||
| ugexe | i wonder if git bash needs the same treatment as github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/main...Cygwin.pm6 where it basically does s{\\}{/}g all over the place | 16:46 | |
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| [Coke] | Maybe, but that shouldn't impact that given/when in Text::CSV | 16:51 | |
| if I have time, I'll see if I can run a local version of CSV that I can step through and see why it's confused. | |||
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| [Coke] | I got a github email for a release on moarvm 2023.02 , but not nqp or raku | 17:12 | |
| do | |||
| now if only these scripts I were running didn't take 30+ minutes! | 17:21 | ||
| shmup | that's fuel for attention deficits | 17:23 | |
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| cfa | o/ | 17:29 | |
| [Coke] | any way to get the diff of two IO Paths? I have "foo\bar\baz\frob" and "foo\bar" and want to get "baz\frob" | ||
| I can do it the hard way but am wondering if there's a method I missed. | |||
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| cfa | looks like i can't build Inline::Perl5 with 2023.02 | 17:31 | |
| jdv | is cfa cfedde? | ||
| cfa | no? | ||
| jdv | bulit during release testing:| | ||
| cfa | hmm | ||
| anyone else having trouble building with 2023.02? | 17:33 | ||
| if not i'll dig in further here | |||
| jdv | is the only change the rakudo version? | 17:34 | |
| cfa | yeah i just switched with rakubrew and tried to reinstall | ||
| it's installed with 2022.12 | |||
| shmup | is rakubrew a fairly defacto/standard technique all y'all working on rakudo are using? | ||
| Nemokosch | I don't know if it is standard but I can vouch for it | 17:35 | |
| cfa | i'm not working on rakudo but i find it convenient to track releases yeah | ||
| and quickly install zef atop a new installation | |||
| shmup: i'm using that irssi script of yours btw | |||
| it's working great here | |||
| jdv | i dont use it cause its been wonky in the past | ||
| Nemokosch | and especially if you need to check against multiple versions quickly | ||
| shmup | cfa cool bc i def was terrible and pushed up something that wont work, glad you arent caught up cfa :) | 17:36 | |
| jdv | but i imagine it *should* work:) | ||
| cfa | i guess it'd be nice if tellable6 were smart enough to recognise directed speech to a discord user | ||
| shmup: hmm? | |||
| shmup | nothing, keep using the older, working version :P | ||
| i will fix this thing that clearly broke something for me. i tried refactoring and goofed | 17:37 | ||
| cfa | i only just loaded whatever was in the most recent commit | ||
| shmup | like, how long ago? | ||
| cfa | when i connected | ||
| shmup | oh ok | ||
| cfa | is something about to catch fire? | ||
| [Coke] | I use rakubrew. | 17:38 | |
| works great, even if you want to include a raku you built from scratch on the side. | |||
| cfa | or if you just want to build HEAD quickly | ||
| shmup | nah cfa ur good heh. nothing will catch fire! | ||
| just got my main branch to the working one. i'll be goofing now in another branch :P | 17:39 | ||
| jdv | [Coke]: can you do I::P5 on the last release? | ||
| cfa | shmup: okay (just let me know if/when i should unload, pull, reload) | ||
| fwiw i've never used irssi scripts before | |||
| but this seemed very handy | |||
| shmup | haha. word. i like to put scripts in .irssi/scripts and symlink the script to .irssi/scripts/autorun, which may be convenient for you | 17:40 | |
| or just put it in autorun :P tomato tomato | |||
| jdv | ive been using irssi for 15y i think and ive not delved into scripting | 17:41 | |
| cfa | shmup: thanks for the info. i just loaded this manually per the isntructions on scripts.irssi.org/ | 17:42 | |
| which of course i had to look up | |||
| jdv is lazy, as a good perl/raku peep might be | |||
| cfa | :) | 17:43 | |
| i'll update to 2023.02 on my work box and try installing Inline::Perl5 there | |||
| er, i suppose i should install it there under 2022.12 first | 17:44 | ||
| but first... to build perl with -Duseshrplib | 17:46 | ||
| it's turtles all the way down | |||
| shmup | 🐢 🐢 🐢 i need to test but stay relevant | 17:47 | |
| [Coke] | jdv: I don't use I:P5 | 17:50 | |
| so I could try but it would not be trivial. | |||
| cfa | i'm testing on a different box here, so hopefully not necessary | 17:51 | |
| just waiting on perl 5.36 to build | |||
| jdv | ok | ||
| shmup | i was wondering, since there is work w/r/t perl and cosmopolitan libc, if anyone has even _thought_ about raku. i'd be curious anyway | ||
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| cfa | okay, Inline::Perl5 builds cleanly with 2022.12 on that box; now to try 2023.02 | 18:11 | |
| installed | 18:14 | ||
| so it looks like my issue is limited to macos (the work box is debian) | 18:15 | ||
| jdv | if you can golf the issue, assuming its real, nine might be able to help | ||
| cfa | yeah | 18:16 | |
| is anyone else here on mac at the moment? if so, anyone able to see whether they can install on 2023.02? | |||
| jdv | i only have debian myself | ||
| cfa | it seems to be Distribution::Builder::MakeFromJSON that's failing | 18:21 | |
| rf | jdv: I installed it on a M2 Mac about 15 mins ago | 18:25 | |
| cfa: ^ | 18:26 | ||
| cfa | hmm | ||
| i5 with ventura here | |||
| rf | Hmm, I can't seem to build it on my M1 using 2023 | 18:27 | |
| Very odd. | |||
| cfa | building with -v shows the following logged command just before failure (but nothing else) | 18:30 | |
| [Inline::Perl5] Command: …/rakudo -MMONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL -e exit((require ::(q|Distribution::Builder::MakeFromJSON|)).new(:meta(EVAL($*IN.slurp(:close)))).build(q|…/.zef/Inline%3A%3APerl5%3Aver%3C0.60%3E%3Aauth%3Ccpan%3ANINE%3E.tar.gz/Inline-Perl5-0.60|)??0!!1) | |||
| i replaced the tmp path (and path to rakudo) with … there | |||
| rf | It's that time again folks, I'm looking for some code review on a new Humming-Bird feature. Don't be scared to leave comments, questions, etc! github.com/rawleyfowler/Humming-Bird/pull/35 | 18:31 | |
| cfa: Definetley make an issue on it. I think Nine will help | 18:32 | ||
| cfa | sg | 18:42 | |
| i should probably try installing afresh in 2022.12 first | |||
| ugexe | is the perl you build with useshrplib visible to Inline::Perl5? | 18:44 | |
| i.e. Inline::Perl5 isn't seeing like your system perl is it? | |||
| you could also try running that command, but pipe the META6.json to stdin of it | 18:45 | ||
| cfa | ugexe: will try in a sec | 18:53 | |
| and yes, my perl is from perlbrew, built with -Duseshrplib | |||
| i'm using Inline::Perl5 in 2022.12 | |||
| i think the install fails much earlier if you haven't built a shared lib | |||
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| cfa | hmm, stdin is being EVAL'd and passed to Distribution::Builder::MakeFromJSON's constructor | 19:00 | |
| ugexe | yeah, a hash | 19:01 | |
| cfa | so i'll need to dump out a hash from the json first, no? | ||
| ugexe | honestly im not sure lol | ||
| github.com/ugexe/zef/blob/5345b918...kumod#L108 | 19:02 | ||
| cfa | okay, piping in the hash worked | 19:04 | |
| and yeah, exited with 1 | 19:05 | ||
| let me try constructing from a repl | |||
| ugexe | what happens if you cd to the inline::perl5 directory somewhere under ~/.zef/store and run `make` | ||
| i think `zef look Inline::Perl5` will take you to the correct dir (note it'll put you into a new shell though) | 19:06 | ||
| cfa | yeah make succeeds but the install step fails | ||
| i tried that earlier | |||
| Distribution::Builder::MakeFromJSON.new(meta => 'META6.json'.IO.slurp.&from-json.hash).build(q|⋯/Inline%3A%3APerl5%3Aver%3C0.60%3E%3Aauth%3Ccpan%3ANINE%3E.tar.gz/Inline-Perl5-0.60|).so | 19:07 | ||
| that's True | |||
| as for make install, | 19:08 | ||
| Cannot assign to an immutable value | |||
| in sub install at configure.pl6 line 50 | |||
| in sub MAIN at configure.pl6 line 7 | |||
| in block <unit> at configure.pl6 line 2 | |||
| cfa scratches his head | 19:09 | ||
| can't spend much longer on this now | |||
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| ugexe | im not sure if MakeFromJSON runs make install fwiw | 19:11 | |
| cfa | the install error seems to be from this: | 19:15 | |
| $dist.meta<files> = ( | |||
| |$dist.meta<files>.grep(* ne $p5helper.Str), | |||
| {'resources/libraries/p5helper' => $p5helper}, | |||
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| cfa | 🤷 | 19:17 | |
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| ugexe | is there an error message? | 20:41 | |
| oh you showed the error message earlier | 20:43 | ||
| er, well zef doesn't run configure.pl6 | 20:44 | ||
| so it might even be two different errors | |||
| my $d = Distribution::Path.new($*CWD); say $d.meta<files> = (1 => 1,); | 20:47 | ||
| need to bisect that | |||
| bisectable6: my $d = Distribution::Path.new($*CWD); say $d.meta<files> = (1 => 1,); | 20:48 | ||
| bisectable6 | ugexe, Will bisect the whole range automagically because no endpoints were provided, hang tight | ||
| ugexe, Output on all releases: gist.github.com/b9a43e753661e3df8f...8558cd231a | |||
| ugexe, Bisecting by exit code (old=2022.03 new=2022.04). Old exit code: 0 | |||
| ugexe, bisect log: gist.github.com/bd315141cd5da37c9a...8ce996cd4d | 20:49 | ||
| ugexe, (2022-03-24) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/f6...6de49f5be1 | |||
| ugexe, Bisecting by exit code (old=2016.06 new=2016.07.1). Old exit code: 1 | |||
| ugexe, bisect log: gist.github.com/a6e3182869f2bc8682...29360b5e91 | |||
| ugexe, (2016-06-29) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/4c...cd8b9cd5ca | |||
| ugexe | looks like github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/f6...6de49f5be1 regressed it | ||
| bisectable6 | ugexe, ⚠ New output detected, please review the results manually | ||
| ugexe, Output on all releases and bisected commits: gist.github.com/2b2d26821e11c886f5...afc5a53111 | |||
| ugexe | github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/f6...1519407R18 specifically | 20:51 | |
| shmup | what's going on when you use bisect like. it's performing a git bisect and at each iteration, it's running your supplied snippet of code against raku? | 20:59 | |
| [Coke] | prebuilt rakus, yes. | 21:01 | |
| jdv | maybe google "git bisect" and/or "github raku bisectable" | 21:02 | |
| [Coke] | rakudo.org/news has a non-link for the latest release (2022.12 seems fine) | 21:17 | |
| rf | tonyo: Does Slang::SQL work with Postgres? | 21:19 | |
| shmup | googling "git bisect" would not help with my question heh. thanks [Coke] | 21:20 | |
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| cfa | ugexe: thanks | 22:09 | |
| though i'm not sure what the next steps are | 22:11 | ||
| (or why i'm encountering failure on mac but not linux) | 22:12 | ||
| rf | How can i tell zef to just pull depends | 22:20 | |
| cfa | pull them, or install them? | ||
| rf | I just want to install depends but not the module | ||
| cfa | $ zef install --deps-only . | 22:21 | |
| rf | I should read haha yeah --deps-only | ||
| cfa | okay, i fudged the installation for now: checking the before/after for $dist.meta<files> -- it turns out that $dist.meta<files> was {resources/libraries/p5helper => resources/libraries/libp5helper.dylib}, and we were attempting to set it to {resources/libraries/p5helper => "resources/libraries/libp5helper.dylib".IO} | 22:23 | |
| so i commented out that assignment and reran make install | 22:24 | ||
| (er, pretend that wasn't so repetitively phrased) | 22:26 | ||
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| rf | Hmm i'm failing to build OpenSSL on the rakudo-star docker container | 22:47 | |
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| rf | zef install OpenSSL results in a test failure | 22:48 | |
| cfa | what's the failure? | 22:55 | |
| rf | Not sure, doing some troubleshooting | 22:56 | |
| Its failing on a specific test | |||
| Geth | doc/Unicode_V15: b1e4d99509 | thundergnat++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/unicode.pod6 Change supported Unicode version It's kind-of dependent on the VM it's running on though. |
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| doc: thundergnat++ created pull request #4210: Change supported Unicode version |
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| guifa | is there any way to divide a number and get the quotient + remainder? | 23:32 | |
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| Nemokosch | well, polymod in some sense | 23:34 | |
| guifa | yeah, that's just a bit inefficient | 23:37 | |
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| guifa | I've had a few subs I've written lately where I need to do a division and then use both numbers | 23:37 | |
| AIUI, this can be optimized sometimes because to calculate one you generally already have the other at the ready | 23:38 | ||
| cfa | what the | 23:43 | |
| m: say 42.base("camel") | |||
| rf | Got OpenSSL to build, just needed to install the shared library, weird the test failed and the META6 requirement didn't catch it. | ||
| camelia | 🐫🐪🐫🐪🐫🐪 | 23:44 | |
| guifa | cfa: it's just a little easter egg | ||
| cfa | m: say 21.base("beer") | ||
| camelia | 🍻🍺🍻🍺🍻 | ||
| cfa | guifa: yeah, i encountered the definition first | ||
| 'eggify' amused me | 23:45 | ||
| perryprog | WHOA WHOA WHOA | ||
| we can't have easter eggs in our Serious Programming Language | |||
| this better be removed asap | |||
| cfa | criminally, though, there's no 🥚 multi | ||
| clearly we need | 23:47 | ||
| m: use MONKEY-TYPING; augment class Int { multi method base(Int:D: "egg" --> Str:D) { self!eggify: "🥚🥚" } }; say 42.base("egg") | |||
| camelia | 🥚🥚🥚🥚🥚🥚 | ||
| perryprog | next thing you know we'll have an HTTP library that has HTTP code 418 as some "teapot" response | 23:48 | |
| Ridiculous | |||
| cfa | hee | 23:51 | |
| perryprog | wow not even part of the spec github.com/Raku/roast/blob/master/...num/base.t | 23:54 | |
| guifa | It's a Rakudo easter egg, not a Raku easter egg | ||
| Since "beer" and "camel" aren't valid bases, it doesn't hurt anyone | 23:55 | ||
| cfa | the comment was in jest | ||
| perryprog | I never jest (it was indeed jest) | ||
| In fact, I was about to go even further and poke lizmat who added it in github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/672c5d4 but then I looked at the comments on the commit and got sad :( | 23:56 | ||
| see also: save418.com | 23:57 | ||