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Set by lizmat on 6 September 2022.
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melezhik . 07:40
tellable6 2025-08-02T02:05:10Z #raku <wayland> melezhik The Sparrowdo link at sparrowhub.io/ links to Sparky instead.
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wayland . 10:17
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wayland Do we have any packages that are specialised for calling a JSON API, or do I just use a web request package and a JSON package, and roll my own? 10:19
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lizmat doesn't Cro come with that built in ? 10:23
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wayland Looks like it does! Wasn't expecting Cro to be the answer for calling APIs, just for making them :) . Thanks! 10:55
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ab5tract I'd like to request a sanity check on including a distribution within a distribution. 11:20
The use case is to provide a non-trivial example of Resource::Wrangler.
ie, examples/nontrivial/l{ib, META6.json, etc.} 11:21
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ab5tract It seems to be fine 🤞 11:42
lizmat hehe 11:52
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Geth ecosystem/main: 385e74289e | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | META.list
Remove File::Directory::Tree

It now lives on as a Raku Community module		 12:13
wayland rolls 3D6 and ... fails sanity check. And becomes catatonic! 12:14
cthulhuwiki.chaosium.com/rules/san...ness-table 12:15
lizmat there's no mention of catatonic there ? 12:16
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wayland Apologies! I refernced it without checking! My brain was running on 5th editing, and they're now up to 7th, and may well have removed it. 12:38
wayland rolls 3D6 again, and narrowly avoids Physical Hysterics! :) 12:39
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librasteve_ weekly: rakujourney.wordpress.com/2025/08/...searching/ 17:50
notable6 librasteve_, Noted! (weekly)
Voldenet eh, dynamic search is pain and likely will not scale or work fine 17:59
for example when you do search, earlier requests could come later when you type text
and also, sql is really bad at searching, sadly 18:01
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disbot4 <librasteve> Voldenet: sorry to disappoint on the Forms side - that's coming next week 18:02
Voldenet because it has to search the whole table, unless you use fulltext index of some sort 18:04
disbot4 <librasteve> this is a raku implementation of the HTMX Active Search example ... htmx.org/examples/active-search/#demo
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disbot4 <librasteve> I guess you are right about scalability ... I know sh*t about SQL search 18:06
<librasteve> [just trusting that SmaokeMachine did it right]
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Voldenet the problem is that it isn't even ORM's fault if it doesn't do search text well 18:08
it's sql's fault
actually, I have no idea if htmx search has the problem I described, docs aren't precise on how hx-trigger works 18:11
but I've never seen any framework deal with it too well 18:12
worse part, searching for `ab` is going to return more results (and be slower) than `abc` so in practice this data race is easily reproducible with bigger db
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Voldenet so, nevermind: I've checked how it works and it enqueues searches 18:34
so when you type in "ab" only one request is executed, "abc" is executed after "ab" is finished
not the best UI in the world, but it isn't buggy 18:35
or rather, when input is changed while things load, it sends another /search (even if it two queries are the same) 18:38
disbot4 <librasteve> sorry was &afk 19:30
<librasteve> :hx-trigger<keyup changed delay:500ms, search>, yeah ... so listens for keyup in the input and only fires every 1/2 sec 19:32
<librasteve> and I see from your note that will only fire again after the new fragment has loaded in the DOM 19:33
<.landyacht.> it would appear docs.raku.org is down for me 19:35
<.landyacht.> anybody else?
<librasteve> I usually say "HTMX is good for smaller scale sites" - but actually I think the limit is more on the level of interactivity eg don't use HTMX to make Facebook or Google Maps
<librasteve> @.landyacht. docs.raku.org is OK for me
<librasteve> I can imagine (in the limit) a Cro::HTTP::Middleware handling only search route over many servers and employing some shared eventually consistent text cache (eg. no SQL sharded) --- I think that in that model HTMX is immaterial performance wise and that the Raku Cro middleware will be the hot path so likely need to use more servers per user than eg JS 19:39
<.landyacht.> it's back for me 19:40
<librasteve> ;-)
<.landyacht.> I'd rather Google be down than my beloved rakudocs... 19:41
<.landyacht.> Also I think there is a genuine bug in Buf's version of splice... What I'm seeing does not line up with the example in the docs, nor expectations 19:42
<.landyacht.> I have to step away, but I'll make an issue when I get back
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Voldenet well, on basic level htmx doesn't integrate with anything but html, so anything needing microservices will quickly need rewrite with htmx frontend - so you would end up implementing backend react 20:40
the other part about search is probably not a big deal - if you have large dataset you'll quickly find out that it's laggy and why you need n-grams in indexes 20:42
it will work for up to around 1000 records just fine
disbot4 <librasteve> interesting ... setting aside HTMX SSE, I suppose you are saying that it's somehow hard for microservices APIs to serve HTML fragments (I can believe this and that the tooling around react microservices is pretty substantive) 20:47
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disbot4 <librasteve> I do recall that the naming idea all along was my Cro $service; and aiui Cro can serve HTML fragments and JSON and websockets ... 20:50
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Voldenet actually you could kinda serve microservices html, but that'd very clearly go beyond htmx 21:22
since every microservice would need to introduce css scoping
it'd be a lot easier to have all rendering compiled into one file out of many 21:23
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