disbot11 <antononcube> @Coke Ok, good. I prefer to have longer desriptive names for these kind of functions. For example, zeckendorf-representation and dual-zeckendorf-representation. 00:13
<antononcube> I can file an issue on GitHub, where that can be debated.
[Coke] Sure. It's an easy change, and I don't mind. 00:17
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wayland Hi all (and especially lizmat who was kind enough to make suggestions yesterday). I've created a new repo ( github.com/wayland/raku-Mythod ) which contains the Slang I was thinking might make a good example. I'm trying to make something that's basically a method, but is called a "mythod". Pretty much everything in the Slang file (grammar, actions) is taken from Grammar.nqp and Actions.nqp, just with "mythod" instead of "method". Unfortunately, 08:55
it doesn't work (it gets that error that I mentioned yesterday).
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librasteve_ over on Reddit - www.reddit.com/r/rakulang/comments...are_button - I said … 10:31
> Wonders who all the signatures are on the signed Periodic Table image (scroll to the bottom of the weekly newsletter to view)? Are there any of these folks still active in the community (sorry I should know but some of the signature are hard to decipher).
[Coke]: thanks for putting a smile on my face this morning 10:33
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wayland76 Thanks also because this discussion made me realise that the Raku weekly ended up in my Spam folder. I've now rectified this. 12:10
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lizmat weekly: neexistujeme.bandcamp.com/track/la...ina-padr-n # Jonathan Worthington's poignant song, inspired by the Russian war in Ukraine 12:39
notable6 lizmat, Noted! (weekly)
disbot11 <antononcube> @Coke Are you a "numberphile"? If you are, I think I have couple of "homework" tasks for you. (Related to the "Math::Zeckerdorf" package.) 15:03
[Coke] I am subscribed to the channel and watch several of them. Also follow standupmaths. stopped short of majoring in math in college. 15:04
I gave up after trying to plow through discrete math. :) 15:05
Sure, happy to consider them.
disbot11 <antononcube> Ok. So, these are my homework tasks: 1) Full documentation of zeckendorf and dual-zeckendorf 2) doing in Raku the Wolfram Language post «Companion to "Base Fibonacci - Numberphile"». 15:07
<antononcube> Both require using of Markdown and/or Jupyter. 15:09
<antononcube> Here is an example of "full documentation" for random-maze : github.com/antononcube/Raku-Graph-...nths.ipynb
<antononcube> I can provided the "starting" document templates for zeckendorf and dual-zeckendorf. 15:10
<antononcube> I guess it is best to file issues in the GitHub repository, right? 15:11
tbrowder hi, can any MacOS user please tell me if Spreadsheet::XLMS installs ok on yr PC 15:17
disbot11 <librasteve> sure - 2 mins 15:18
tbrowder arg XLSX!!
disbot11 <librasteve> Welcome to Rakudo™ v2025.12. 15:19
<librasteve> (ie I am on latest Raku, clean rakubrew build)
<librasteve> ===> Testing [FAIL]: Archive::Libarchive::Raw:ver<0.1.5>:auth<zef:FRITH> Aborting due to test failure: Archive::Libarchive::Raw:ver<0.1.5>:auth<zef:FRITH> (use --force-test to override) 15:20
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tbrowder pls try --force-test if you haven't yet 15:22
not sure what it does, but in testing on new hosts it seems to not need it after the initial install 15:24
disbot11 <librasteve> it disables test 15:25
<librasteve> lemme go zef install Spreadsheet::XLSX --deps-only --force-test then I can just test Spreadsheet::XYZU to eliminate issue with dependency modules 15:27
ugexe --force-test does not disable tests, that is what --/test does. --force-test just ignores failed tests so the e.g. install process can continue when a test fails 15:28
disbot11 <librasteve> errr - ok 15:30
<librasteve> tx!
<librasteve> ok the thing I did loaded the deps - now for zef install Spreadsheet::XLSX 15:31
<librasteve> Testing [FAIL]: Spreadsheet::XLSX:ver<0.3.5>:auth<zef:raku-community-modules> Aborting due to test failure: Spreadsheet::XLSX:ver<0.3.5>:auth<zef:raku-community-modules> (use --force-test to override)
<librasteve> hope that helps
<librasteve> remembers to always use --/test in future 15:32
<librasteve> ;-)
ugexe fwiw `--/test` implies `--/test --/test-depends`, so if you still want to fetch the test depends you need to do so explicitly `--/test --test-depends` 15:33
[Coke] anononcube - issues work best as todos, yes. 15:34
disbot11 <antononcube> @Coke feel free to reject the documentation suggestions. 15:35
<antononcube> Ideally, I want to include "Math::Zeckendorf" as a dependency in "Math::NumberTheory". 15:38
tbrowder it installs on my debian hosts—weird 15:40
librasteve_ www.irccloud.com/pastebin/iFpD3B1S 15:44
^^ here’s what happens when I run with —verbose 15:45
[Coke] regarding libarchive - is it just that you don't the correct version of libarchive installed? 15:49
I really don't like skipping tests. I would NOT recommend skipping tests in your general installations, unless you are using a known good install. 15:50
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disbot11 <librasteve> checks libarchive situation 16:10
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tbrowder ok, i think i may know at least part of the problem, it's a non-standard test setup for one thing. see the source "run-test" file. not sure how that works on macs 16:16
also, i did make sure i manually installed the prereqs because i was reluctant to do anything xtra for that change, just trying to use the updated LibXML 16:20
disbot11 <librasteve> hmmm - reinstalled libarchive with homebrew - but that still errors on zef install Libarchive ;-( ... must attend to $day-job ... let me know if you want me to try something else
tbrowder ok, thnx
disbot11 <librasteve> yw (sorry couldn't do more) 16:25
tbrowder have you installed MacOS::NativeLib (i assume most here have done that). there is a discussion on the NativeHelpers::Callback about mac problems, not sure if it was entirely resolved. 16:47
maybe make MakeOS::Native lib a requirement? 16:48
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[Coke] I did 'port install libarchive' on the mac, reinstalled Archive::Libarchive::Raw, died same way 17:31
Cannot locate native library 'libarchive.13.dylib' 17:32
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[Coke] opens github.com/frithnanth/perl6-Archiv.../issues/13 17:51
lucs I'm writing myself a File::Snippets module to handle file snippets I work with. 17:54
Just want to show you folks the neato naming scheme I came up with for identifiers in the module. 17:55
With maybe a trigger warning for those of you who have a strong aversion to weird naming :-)
So here goes:
$snip - snippet 17:56
$snam - snippet name
$snid - snippet id
And last but certainly not least:
$snob - snippet glob :-)
timo why does the name "Dr Seuss" come to mind ... 17:57
lucs Hehe!
[Coke] ... You mean $snuees 17:58
... You mean $snuess
timo sneeses
[Coke] bleesya 17:59
disbot11 <aruniecrisps> I may have asked this before, but is there a way to do with with multiple values? 18:31
<aruniecrisps> I can think of with all(...) but I was wondering if there were other ways of doing it 18:35
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tbrowder note Spreadsheet::XLSX did not have github workflows tests for MacOS or Windows. i'm adding them to see clues on my end. 19:13
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ugexe is there any reason to believe these issues are just OS/system specific around being able to find those libraries? 19:23
for [Coke]'s example i wonder if the .13.dylib variant isn't being found 19:24
given he has shown he installed libarchive
ah i see in the issue he created that the path it is installed to is not one of the paths that the error says it searched in 19:28
that being said, [Coke] i think you need to add /opt/local/lib to DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH, i.e. export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/local/lib:${DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH}" 19:30
of course that is a system dependent solution, so i don't suggest anyone else try that unless you are using macos and installing your libraries via macports 19:31
tbrowder i hope lizmat's NativeLib will do the trick
ugexe eh, i'm not thrilled with what is does 19:34
running brew the brew command specifically
[Coke]'s example for instance uses macports, not homebrew 19:36
and those are just two of many ways it could be installed
i would argue if MacOS::NativeLib is a dependency, then homebrew is also a required transitive dependency 19:37
and thus i'd try to avoid that dependency
disbot11 <librasteve> I have had similar concerns with libpq.5.dylib on macos 19:38
<librasteve> a suitable simlink resiolved that
<librasteve> I have tried your export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/homebrew/opt/libarchive/bin:${DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH}" (note brew variant in my case), but no luck 19:41
ugexe does /opt/homebrew/opt/libarchive/bin contain libraries?
disbot11 <librasteve> bsdcat bsdcpio bsdtar bsdunzip cpio tar 19:42
ugexe why are you passing that path to DYLD_LIBARY_PATH then?
disbot11 <librasteve> also tried export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/homebrew/opt:${DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH}"
ugexe where does the libarchive dylib file actually exist? 19:43
disbot11 <librasteve> lemme see
ugexe how did you even come up with those paths you tried if you don't know? lol
disbot11 <librasteve> (answer is that homebrew puts `export PATH="/opt/homebrew/opt/libarchive/bin:$PATH"`` in the .zshrc) 19:44
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disbot11 <librasteve> sorry my braindead application 19:44
<librasteve> so the answer is /opt/homebrew/opt/libarchive/lib 19:47
<librasteve> contains: libarchive.13.dylib libarchive.a libarchive.dylib pkgconfig
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disbot11 <librasteve> but export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/homebrew/opt/libarchive/lib:${DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH}" 19:47
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disbot11 <librasteve> still fails on zef install Libarchive 19:48
ugexe what is your actual failure? run with --debug
disbot11 <librasteve> ok
librasteve_ www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4LRsDT0A 19:50
ugexe yeah i think you have a different issue 19:51
run `zef look Libarchive` (or just cd into the repo) and then `raku -I. t/02-simple-tar-memory.t6`
maybe that will show more information
[Coke] this works for me: 19:54
export DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/local/lib
I think the fallback is the preferred way these days? ISTR it changed a few releases ago, and I only have to look it up when something breaks annually.
disbot11 <librasteve> Cannot locate native library 'libarchive.13.dylib':
librasteve_ www.irccloud.com/pastebin/vJIkC1RK 19:55
disbot11 <librasteve> then i did export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/homebrew/opt/libarchive/lib:${DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH}" in that terminal 19:56
<librasteve> worked ok
ugexe 👍
disbot11 <librasteve> must be failing on a different test ... 19:57
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librasteve_ www.irccloud.com/pastebin/YiUC7uvj 20:05
disbot11 <librasteve> hmm - I am a confused bunny - maybe ^^ will shed some light for you? (sorry back in ~1 hr) 20:06
tbrowder well i'm sorry i can't fix the package for macos or windows. my pr version is now broken on linux :-\ 20:20
kudos and maybe a prize for anyone who can fix it for macos 20:26
ugexe the error is showing you the paths it is looking in 20:27
none of those paths are the one you said you previously set in dyld_fallback_library_path
you should verify your environment
[Coke] ... I can't seem to get that env var set in my .zshrc... or .zshenv...
weird. works live in the shell, but I can't get it to stick for new ones. 20:28
... I will figure this out later.
tbrowder it's really a cool pkg. lizmat could probably fix it but not too interested in xlsx 20:32
ugexe i doubt there is anything wrong with it
everything i've read from everyone suggests people are just unfamiliar with setting up external libraries on a given system 20:33
librasteve_ www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hQPt93DH
ugexe librasteve_: maybe try deleting .precomp
disbot11 <librasteve> yes and no - here I have rerun the export DYLIB and then the prove6 runs into the same errors I shared previously
ugexe otherwise the error is still suggesting that the path provided to the fallback env isn't getting seen 20:34
disbot11 <librasteve> no joy with rm -rf .precomp 20:35
ugexe run the tests without prove6 20:36
i don't know what that is doing
disbot11 <librasteve> yet raku -I. t/02-simple-tar-memory.t6 works fine afaict
ugexe so your issue is related to prove6 in some way. i wonder if it is adding -Ilib, in which case you may need to delete lib/.precomp
disbot11 <librasteve> how to run test without prove6? 20:37
ugexe `raku -I. t/02-simple-tar-memory.t6`
which you already did
disbot11 <librasteve> there is no /perl6-libarchive/lib/.precomp 20:39
ugexe i dunno what the issue is with prove6 then 20:40
disbot11 <librasteve> hmmm - ok - thanks for all your great help! 20:41
ugexe you can make zef not use prove6 by passing --/tap-harness fwiw 20:43
[Coke] ugexe++
disbot11 <librasteve> sudo ln -s /opt/homebrew/opt/libarchive/lib/libarchive.13.dylib /usr/local/lib/libarchive.13.dylib works ok 20:44
<librasteve> \o/ 20:45
<librasteve> I suspect there is some macos security at play here
<librasteve> [Coke]: pls can you try the symlink approach for macports? not sure how to make a general solution ... maybe a script to run in the CI (and somehow during install ... even manual would be better than just failure) 20:52
<librasteve> tbrowder: happy to report that (once the Libarchive shenanigans is fixed), then Spreadsheet::XLSX installed fine 20:55
<librasteve> fwiw I tried reverting the symlink and using --tap-harness - no joy 20:57
<librasteve> chatgpt.com/share/6966b251-59b4-80...bc82d071e6 21:00
ugexe i said --/tap-harness 21:11
disbot11 <librasteve> tried both -- and --/ both fail 21:16
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disbot11 <librasteve> (sorry) 21:16
<librasteve> (all work with the symlink btw) 21:17
<librasteve> DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH, DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES are ignored per the ^^ 21:18
ugexe and earlier you said
11:56:20 <disbot11><librasteve> then i did export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/homebrew/opt/libarchive/lib:${DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH}" in that terminal
11:56:33 <disbot11><librasteve> worked ok
so you're saying running raku $the-test-file works, but prove6 $the-test-file or zef test don't? 21:19
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[Coke] ended up doing the softlink also. 21:39
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disbot11 <librasteve> the export made the raku ... work, but not the prove6... 21:58
librasteve_ weekly: medium.com/@brianstorms/a-1980-tee...f8a5fdbf6c 22:21
notable6 librasteve_, Noted! (weekly)
tbrowder we should use zef test instead of prove6 22:53
i do 22:55
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leont is puzzled wht prove6 would not work 23:08
Though I'd use -b instead of -I. anyway, -I. assumes a META6.json. 23:11
ugexe leont: it doesn't work with zef either from what I understand, which makes me think how zef/prove6 spawns processes somehow is losing their environment setting 23:29
i guess i shouldn't imply zef or prove6 are losing it and instead because its almost certainly something with their system/shell. they just exercise their underlying issue 23:31
leont Yeah, now that you gave me that description the problem is obvious 23:33
And probably a one-line fix.
github.com/Raku/tap-harness6/blob/...kumod#L909 23:35
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leont I wanted to override $RAKULIB, but end up nuking all other environmental variables. 23:35
No wait, I do start with a copy of %*ENV, so it should be all-right 23:36
ugexe yea it looks fine to me
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