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Set by lizmat on 6 September 2022.
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disbot2 <antononcube> Ha! Day 16 of Raku Advent Calendar is removed. 03:42
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lizmat antononcube yes, for legal reasons by request of the author 09:37
the github repo to which it referred, is also gone
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disbot2 <antononcube> Yeah, ok, hopefully, the author is not in too much trouble. 10:35
erry ;o 10:56
drama
El_Che now I am curious 10:57
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ab5tract Same. Funny how that works 11:35
Geth raku.org/librasteve-readd-fun-redirects: d59f98f58a | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Org.rakumod
re add fun, ofun redirects

these got dropped in latest PR		 11:37
raku.org: librasteve++ created pull request #307:
re add fun, ofun redirects
raku.org/main: d59f98f58a | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Org.rakumod
re add fun, ofun redirects

these got dropped in latest PR		 11:43
raku.org/main: 32e05f7723 | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Org.rakumod
Merge pull request #307 from Raku/librasteve-readd-fun-redirects

re add fun, ofun redirects
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disbot2 <antononcube> Hm,,, for the curious — removed article’s name is “Melian and the Helpers of Evergreen” by sawyerx. 12:06
<antononcube> Hopefully, mentioning the name does bring legal trouble. 12:07
<librasteve> maybe from JRR Tolkein family 13:09
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Geth raku.org/librasteve-redo-ofun-redirects: 778902d5a7 | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Org.rakumod
redo ofun redirects

ah - correct previous release		 14:04
raku.org: librasteve++ created pull request #308:
redo ofun redirects
lizmat all I can say that the authors of the package got a rather threatening letter from a lawyer, and they decided not to stand up for their rights 14:05
having been in that situation myself in 1996/7, I can totally relate to the stress such a letter brings and the difficulty of making such a decision 14:06
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disbot2 <librasteve> I never got the letter, but I started a company with a partner and had many sleepless nights waiting for the letter (I guess they never bothered since we had no money) 14:08
lizmat fact: my side won a trial twice, but it did set my company back about 100K guilders at the time (which is roughly equivalent 80.000 euros today)
disbot2 <antononcube> Using LLMs, they could have easily recast the code and article to be about, say, «Watchmen», or some other characters. 14:09
<antononcube> Or, better, not use character names at all, just $HANDSOME_HERO and $VOLATILE_VILAIN, or $SIGNIFICAN_SIDEKICK.
<librasteve> while JJR Tolkein estate is notoriously litigious, I suspect that was not the situation 14:10
<librasteve> come to think of it, I wonder how these guys managed en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandalf_Technologies 14:12
<antononcube> Right! Then sigiled variable characters and tokens to mitigate JJR Tolkien trolling.
Geth raku.org/main: 778902d5a7 | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Org.rakumod
redo ofun redirects

ah - correct previous release		 14:13
raku.org/main: bab8565185 | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Org.rakumod
Merge pull request #308 from Raku/librasteve-redo-ofun-redirects

redo ofun redirects (dang!)
disbot2 <librasteve> need App::Unicode::Mangle
[Coke] ... said very few people ever. :) 14:15
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disbot2 <antononcube> "Gandalf" is most likely considered a generic name. 14:33
<librasteve> Yes. The Tolkien interests did pursue legal action over the use of the name “Gandalf,” most famously in a long‑running dispute involving a performer known as “Gandalf the Wizard Clown,” which lasted about seven years and ended in a settlement reported by the Associated Press 14:35
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disbot2 <antononcube> I want to figure out how many people of Raku's community would be interested in symbolic computations with Raku. 14:40
<antononcube> Maybe I should start a poll at Reddit? 14:41
<antononcube> I do not want to "over-invest" in developing the corresponding functionalities. From my side, the way I see it the ideal end result is to have a slang and Jupyter magic cell that allows LaTeX expressions (or similar) to be symbolically manipulated with ease. Another functionality is the interpretation of LaTeX expressions into Raku code. (With or without using RakuAST.) 14:44
<antononcube> @lizmat Are your articles "RakuAST for early adopters {1..5}" from 3 years ago still "current"? 14:50
lizmat antononcube afaik, yes 14:51
disbot2 <antononcube> Great! 14:52
<antononcube> @lizmat Be prepared that "LaTeX::Actions::RakuAST" my test that statement of yours. 14:53
lizmat but: we still have an issue with generated RakuAST code and precompilation: that will probably throw a spanner in the wheel :-( 14:54
but please prove me wrong! :-) 14:58
or find more pointers on fixing that issue
fwiw, this bug is still causing the new RakuAST .assuming implementation to not be live :-(
disbot2 <antononcube> ok. ✍️ 14:59
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[Coke] regarding my word cloud, I avoided the issue for now by finding a pre-made graphic I can print in its place. 16:06
Thanks for everyone who got really excited there for a minute. :)
disbot2 <antononcube> @Coke I am still excited about it! And what a downer! (Your "issue avoiding", that is.) 16:15
<antononcube> @lizmat I plan to shamelessly use the RakuAst documents here: github.com/lizmat/articles/tree/ma...y-adopters
<antononcube> ... shamelessly via LLMs. 16:16
[Coke] eh. the timeline makes the creative part I'd need to do too much. the technical bits were easy. 16:17
(relatively)
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disbot2 <antononcube> weekly: dev.to/2colours/blessing-the-diamo...-idea-1o9g 16:57
notable6 antononcube, Noted! (weekly)
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disbot2 <librasteve> weekly: raku.github.io/CCR/Remaster/Zoffix...ities.html 17:21
notable6 librasteve, Noted! (weekly)
disbot2 <librasteve> lizmat: ++ on this ... this was a very inspirational post for me back in the day 17:22
lizmat librasteve_: put remastering at least some of Cal Mäsaks posts at the top of my list for today 17:23
disbot2 <librasteve> I am wondering if we should add back this variant to the raku.org/ofun panel ... if anyone would like to propose that, there is a prblem solving issue here github.com/Raku/problem-solving/issues/517 17:26
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Geth CCR/main: 4e22349d56 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 3 files
Add remaster of "Raku is my MMORPG" by Carl Mäsak
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lizmat raku.github.io/CCR/Remaster/Carl%2...MORPG.html 18:59
ab5tract I’m planning to re-publish my mega dungeon post from the advent calendar on my personal blog. 19:15
It was inspired by Carl’s post, so feels like a good counterpart
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SmokeMachine m: role A { my %types; %types{ ::?CLASS.prefix } := ::?CLASS if ::?CLASS.^find_method("prefix", :local); method prefix {...}; method WHICH {"bbb"}; dd %types}; class B does A { method prefix {"aaa"} } # should this be working? 20:29
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Could not instantiate role 'A' because it is died with X::Method::NotFound; exception details:

Method B.WHICH not found
in sub at <tmp> line 1
in any package_declarator:sym<class> at…
SmokeMachine the error seems to be on Grammar.moarvm... I think this is at least LTA... 20:30
timo might be possible to give a better error message. this is at compile time 20:31
[Coke] Reminder: On April 24 we'll start using GitHub Copilot interaction data for AI model training unless you opt out. Review this update and manage your preferences in your GitHub account settings. --github 20:38
SmokeMachine github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/6097 20:39
[Coke] SmokeMachine: can you wrap that code in a ``` block? 20:40
LTA error in there also: "Because it is died with" 20:41
SmokeMachine: thanks
[Coke] opened github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/6098 in response 20:44
disbot2 <antononcube> I do not use Copilot, but good to know!
ugexe you can opt out at github.com/settings/copilot/features 20:47
[Coke] ugexe++ # sauce 20:48
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Voldenet that example above looks kinda like CRTP 21:17
m: role A[::T] { say T.^name }; class B does A[B] { } # crtp way 21:24
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared name:
B used at line 1
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