SmokeMachine librasteve: raku.land/zef:FCO/Grammar::Editor 00:23
tellable6 SmokeMachine, I'll pass your message to librasteve_
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Voldenet SmokeMachine: I've tried to use Selkie::UI and it doesn't work with older versions of Selkie - depends should have something like `Selkie:ver<0.7.1+>:auth<zef:apogee>` (since older versions don't have ViewportedCardList) 02:09
upgrading works though
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avuserow I'm finally sharing RelayTerm, my rakulang terminal emulator project: avuserow.bearblog.dev/introducing-relayterm/ 04:30
tellable6 2026-05-11T20:15:07Z #raku-dev <ab5tract> avuserow: how did you get Raku syntax highlighting to work on bearblog? So cool
avuserow .tell ab5tract I didn't do anything special, just markdown code block with ```raku 04:31
tellable6 avuserow, I'll pass your message to ab5tract
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SmokeMachine Voldenet: thanks, I’ll fix that as soon as possible. And did that work after upgrading Selkie? 07:13
Voldenet tests gave me >The spawned command 'raku' exited unsuccessfully (exit code: 1, signal: 0) in block at t/07-examples-compile.rakutest line 22 07:16
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Voldenet examples themselves did compile however 07:21
and the failure is… `Could not open examples/charts.raku. Failed to stat file: no such file or directory`. What 07:25
probably wrong cwd, eh 07:40
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[Coke] oooh, I just had a nice idea for a TUI app. 13:58
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SmokeMachine [Coke]: if you are going to implement it using Selkie::UI, please let me know if I can help with anything 14:10
[Coke] OK. 14:11
(stuff around release management)
(for rakudo)
Step one: Selkie::UI fails to install. 14:21
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[Coke] github.com/FCO/Selkie-UI/issues/new 14:23
SmokeMachine Yes, Voldenet mentioned that… I did not fix the Selkie version… I’m going to fix it after work… 14:24
[Coke] +1 14:25
... oops.
github.com/FCO/Selkie-UI/issues/1 - i hadn't entered the title yet!
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ab5tract avuserow: I don't know why I never tried that :) 14:33
tellable6 2026-05-18T04:31:52Z #raku <avuserow> ab5tract I didn't do anything special, just markdown code block with ```raku
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librasteve_ notable6: weekly 15:29
notable6 librasteve_, 1 note: 2026-05-17T12:05:08Z <lizmat>: github.com/Raku/problem-solving/issues/519
tellable6 2026-05-18T00:23:04Z #raku <SmokeMachine> librasteve: raku.land/zef:FCO/Grammar::Editor
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SmokeMachine [Coke]: had you have an old version of Selkie installed you tried installing Selkie::UI? When I tried installing it locally it installed ok, when I uninstalled it and installed an old version of Selkie (for testing), it broke with a different error than yours, then I changed my META6.json replacing Selkie with Selkie:ver<0.7.1+>:auth<zef:apogee> and that worked to me... 15:49
www.irccloud.com/pastebin/q5aUypch/ 15:50
apogee_ntv I'd suggest pinning a newer version of Selkie in Selkie::UI META6.json, since it supports far more platforms.
SmokeMachine apogee_ntv: 0.7.3? 15:52
apogee_ntv SmokeMachine: Yeah
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SmokeMachine I just released a new version setting the proper dependency version 15:58
apogee_ntv Yeah 0.7.3 supports musl, earlier glibc, intel x64 (could you test that on the work laptop) 16:02
librasteve_ rakudoweekly.blog/2026/05/18/2026-...ification/
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[Coke] - Installed: Yes, as Selkie:ver<0.7.2>:auth<zef:apogee> 16:18
trying the new ::UI version... 16:20
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apogee_ntv What platform are you on [Coke]? 16:20
Selkie tests may fail on Windows because the upstream notcurses harness does 16:21
[Coke] same error.
mac, m2
github.com/FCO/Selkie-UI/issues/1 16:22
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SmokeMachine apogee_ntv: it seems it installed correctly on my work machine (with a single odd message)... and It seems I reproduced [Coke] 's Selkie::UI error on that as well: www.irccloud.com/pastebin/AUkRjxnv/ 16:26
apogee_ntv github.com/FCO/Selkie-UI/blob/57cb...kutest#L21 Looks like the tests are based on cwd?
[Coke] note that the test *works* when run under zef look and then running it manually. :| 16:27
EW
apogee_ntv So they would pass on mi6 release but not on zef install because of directory?
[Coke] the test is invoking raku -I lib *manually*?
shouldn't that be, at least, "-I." ? 16:28
SmokeMachine I think I'll remove those tests for now...
[Coke] also, use $*EXECUTABLE
apogee_ntv Yeah or move to xt so they run on release
So you know if you broke the examples
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[Coke] agreed, "do the examples compile" is not a test I should be running. :) 16:31
apogee_ntv Yeah but probably a test the author should run before release 16:32
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apogee_ntv I should do that with the Selkie examples tbh 16:32
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SmokeMachine released 16:34
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SmokeMachine apogee_ntv: I was trying, at some point, to have a test to compare Selkie tests and Selkie::UI tests... the should be exactly equal (but the 2 new ones I created) 16:35
github.com/FCO/Selkie-UI/commit/c3...cea0482a51 16:37
now it's installing on my work mac: www.irccloud.com/pastebin/FPwmYRJx/ 17:56
it's working: usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/.../image.png 17:59
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[Coke] installed 18:54
sample apple doesn't work - slow to render, can't click on click me, hitting ^C leaves the terminal in an unusable state. 18:56
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[Coke] sample app - 18:56
sample from raku.land/zef:FCO/Selkie::UI
Selkie:ver<0.7.3>:auth<zef:apogee>, Selkie::UI:ver<0.0.4>:auth<zef:FCO> 18:57
let me know if a ticket would help 18:58
SmokeMachine Have you tried any example or bin? Try running zelfie, please 18:59
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[Coke] zelfie is trying to install something with zef 18:59
rude. :)
ah, no, it's just running zef list. 19:00
SmokeMachine Really? It should only list packages…
[Coke] it's not transparent about what it's doing, and was definitely outputing zef output, so i feared the worst.
SmokeMachine :) 19:01
[Coke] yup, that one seems fine
leaves the terminal workable.
let's me arrow around
SmokeMachine Maybe my documentárion are showing some broken examples… :( 19:02
Just to let you know, that still don’t do anything… just list the packages
(Only) 19:03
[Coke] right, but it reacted when I arrowed down.
the "click me" one just sits there and doesn't exit cleanly.
SmokeMachine Could you also try the selkie-ui-playground and the selkie-ui-grammar-playground? 19:05
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[Coke] ui-playground rapidly gets confused. 19:12
and exits leaving the terminal in a bad state 19:13
i'm also conflicted about install examples.
SmokeMachine I'll replace the first example with: www.irccloud.com/pastebin/yIqhNTTE/ 19:16
at least while I'm debuging the Screen example 19:20
The screen example was working here but was just not doing anything. Making it increment a state variable used on a text worked... usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/....29.12.gif 19:31
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apogee_ntv [Coke]: What does it rapidly getting confused look like? 21:41
Exit into raw mode *should* be fixed in 0.7.3
But I found other issues with iTerm 2 mostly around graphics rendering (it does not respect Kitty protocol but advertises support for it) 21:42
Those issues are the same in notcurses though
I could attempt to fix them but the issue is really iTerm advertising caps that it can't fulfil 21:43
[Coke] ah, right, should recheck with terminal.app 21:46
apogee_ntv (I would have to fix them *in* notcurses which is not ideal. 21:47
)
[Coke] I would open a ticket against eye term, but I wouldn't know exactly what to say 21:48
apogee_ntv Does the playground use images or is this something else? 21:49
I got *really* funky behavior with images
[Coke] gitlab.com/search?project_id=25246...ate=opened ? 21:51
apogee_ntv Yeah nice to see Nick involve in some of those threads but there are unresolved issues from 2021 21:53
[Coke]: github.com/m-doughty/notcurses/blo....md#iterm2 Can you try those suggestions and see if the problem resolves? (from upstream notcurses) 22:09
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