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| disbot2 | <melezhik.> weekly: github.com/ash/rakupp/tree/main/live , sparrow is added to the rakupp live | 04:25 | |
| notable6 | melezhik., Noted! (weekly) | ||
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| disbot2 | <melezhik.> apogee_ntv: Selkie build passes however it does take longer then 10 minutes on my vm - dsci.sparrowhub.io:8080/report/ui2/job.run/270 | 05:57 | |
| <melezhik.> This fresh Rakudo star / Debian | |||
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| apogee_ntv | melezhik: tbh thats probably normal with the full test suite, it is a chunky module. Takes a good minute on my Macbook Pro. | 10:07 | |
| Longer on my Thinkpad | 10:08 | ||
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| disbot2 | <melezhik.> Yeah. That’s ok | 10:36 | |
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| ugexe | i wonder why rakupp readme first sentence calls itself "a hand-written lexer, parser, and tree-walking evaluator that runs real Raku" | 14:16 | |
| disbot2 | <antononcube> Same hare. Initially, I thought "hand-written" means "human made", but after reading/browsing the repository I think it means "from scratch". | 14:18 | |
| ugexe | yeah, which kinda makes me wonder what else they haven't been checking | ||
| disbot2 | <antononcube> It might intentional, in order to provoke more careful reading. (Low probability on that, IMO, say, 15%.) | 14:22 | |
| ugexe | you know what they say, if the first sentence of your project is a lie your readers will read it more carefully | 14:23 | |
| disbot2 | <antononcube> 🙂 Ha! Of course! | 14:24 | |
| <antononcube> This morning -- in the last 40+ min -- I am trying to install the newest version of rakupp and see can use it with some of the packages I am interested in. | 14:30 | ||
| <antononcube> My other use case is using rakupp in Wolfram Language (WL). Currently, I use Raku in WL via ZeroMQ, but having a more direct and faster access (with "librakupp.dylib") is much more robust and faster (than using ZeroMQ.) | 14:33 | ||
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| apogee_ntv | I'm mostly using Raku to glue C code together and make it nicer to interface with. | 15:30 | |
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| patrickb | for what it's worth, I read "hand written" as "self contained and written from scratch". I never perceived it as a lie. | 15:47 | |
| tellable6 | 2026-08-22T03:47:56Z #raku-dev <[Coke]> patrickb 2026.08 ready for binary releases. | ||
| ugexe | maybe i am being too harsh. at least in the US "hand made" means a very specific thing, and by extension "hand written" | 15:49 | |
| "from scratch" here means something else entirely from the maker and is more about the ingredients | 15:50 | ||
| apogee_ntv | From scratch to me would mean it's not a fork, hand-written post-about 2024 to me would suggest with minimal or no AI assistance. | 15:55 | |
| I would generally see the latter as a negative though. | 15:56 | ||
| lizmat | I suspect some false friends from Russian, fwiw | 16:06 | |
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| apogee_ntv | That seems likely yes | 16:11 | |
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| mc2 | hello rakoons | 16:37 | |
| disbot2 | <melezhik.> Hey, guys. What’s wrong with rakupp ? I see it a great work honestly | 16:39 | |
| <melezhik.> I see nothing bad in hand written . | 16:40 | ||
| lizmat | melezhik: so how to you interpret "hand written" ? What is its meaning according to you? | 16:45 | |
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| disbot2 | <melezhik.> Well actually before some said it’s hint on code written by human not AI, my first impression hand written means written carefully, with attention to derails , very thoroughly. At least this kind of association the term has in Russian . My assumption ( I may be wrong here thought ) as the author of rarkupp has Slavic roots ( Latvian , Russian ? ) he may put the same meaning into it … | 17:04 | |
| <melezhik.> Derails -> details | 17:05 | ||
| <melezhik.> We also have term “hand work “ which means something unique, made very carefully, with attention to details and quality | 17:06 | ||
| ugexe | Does the term “hand painted” portrait in Russian not imply a human made the strokes? | ||
| To be clear I obviously have no issues with llm outputs, projects, etc. it is just a weird thing to make the first thing someone reads on your project to imply it is something it is not, and that weirdness in itself is what personally is off putting to me | 17:08 | ||
| disbot2 | <melezhik.> Hrmmm . Let me see … ahh yeah . Only we have “have written” term which means exactly that - “hand painted “ painted by hand , with somewhere same connotations of qualitative work . Yes | 17:09 | |
| <melezhik.> ugexe: I see you . I see where you are coming from, but I am sure this is just a some cultural / language differences. And Andrey just how I see it wanted to emphasize that rakupp is written carefully and with attention to quality , at least this is how I read this “hand written” term | 17:12 | ||
| <melezhik.> So in other words I would read “LLM” here at all )) | 17:13 | ||
| <melezhik.> Hopefully my Russian language knowledge will help ) | |||
| <melezhik.> Would read -> would not read | 17:14 | ||
| ugexe | Makes sense, but it’s also a bit weird that Claude, having presumably written that sentence and not having the same Russian language mannerisms, didn’t correct it | 17:24 | |
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| japhb | Maybe the intent is "human in the loop" rather than "Ralph loop"? | 17:49 | |
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| ugexe | Yeah, but if a human was in the loop I’d expect it to say something different | 17:56 | |
| disbot2 | <melezhik.> ugexe: ahhh now I see . I think Claude wrote the readme? Right? | 17:58 | |
| ugexe | Presumably given the number of hyphens and em dashes | 17:59 | |
| disbot2 | <melezhik.> Ok 🤔 | ||
| <melezhik.> I think -> you think . Sorry for typos | 18:00 | ||
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