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Set by lizmat on 6 September 2022.
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Nemokosch weekly: github.com/Raku/doc/discussions 10:11
notable6 Nemokosch, Noted! (weekly)
tellable6 2022-11-19T11:26:11Z #raku <Woodi> Nemokosch: never considered Tcl a success....
2022-11-19T15:39:34Z #raku <El_Che> Nemokosch: like I said, pretty much everything. Docker, Terraform, Vault, Nomad, Kubernetes, Consul, etcd, etc :)
2022-11-19T15:49:22Z #raku <El_Che> Nemokosch: You don't seems to be in the devops engine and thinking of admins in a small shop. Devops is all about scale and microservices.
2022-11-19T15:56:10Z #raku <El_Che> Nemokosch: go: put this static binary built in 1 second and put in an 5mb alpine container
hey Nemokosch, you have a message: gist.github.com/8c14081e586d736dd9...e906debcc4
Nemokosch huh :DD
anyway, quite a lame effort but I think it would be good to raise awareness that there is a place like this now 10:12
and just like I advocated for the introduction of Github Discussions for Raku/doc, I think eventually this could be introduced for several Raku-related repos 10:13
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El_Che someone here runs arm64? almost finished with the rakudo arm64 packages 10:51
moritz at times I find two arms challenging, imaging having to deal with 64! :-) 10:52
El_Che need to do some esthetic changes in the filename in cirrus and upload to the repo, but what I have should be installable (with rpm/dpkg/etc)
moritz: think of the additional raku books you could write 10:53
packages are in in the pkg artifact folder for each distro build: cirrus-ci.com/build/6700332659507200 10:54
for some reason, the OS version is not added to the name, making the upload not feasable until that sorted (for me, computers don't care) 10:55
I hope this cirrus thing is a stop over until github actions supports arm64 natively 10:56
*stopgap 10:57
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jast I have an ARMv8-A machine that I could run tests on but I don't intend to actually use Raku on it :) 11:20
El_Che jast: the test is checking of raku runs fine on your distro, the proper tests where done at build time :) 11:23
jast: while arm64 rakudo does not have JIT (yet), it isn't that slow, maybe because arm got fast fast :) 11:24
jast as always, to get software fast, rely on hardware improvements :) 11:27
unfortunately this is a RasPi 4 so it's actually quite slow 11:28
El_Che JIT would be extremely useful in a world where arm64 is more visible, but I don't think there are many people around that can do that type of specific work
jast just use AI, from what people say on the internet it's the solution to all problems 11:29
El_Che community.arm.com/arm-community-bl...ntent=blog
I played with the oracle arm instances and while the show a low BogoMIPS (50.00) they feel faster than the x64 offerings 11:30
it depends on the workload of course
jast well bummer, the architecture for my system is armhf, not arm64 11:32
El_Che rpi3?
jast I think I just recycled the old install when I switched to the rpi4
El_Che ah yes, 32 bit used to be the default
jast that's the punishment for being lazy I suppose 11:33
El_Che With debian proper releasing 64-bit builds, that is slowly changing
if you're short of yaks, you know what to do :P 11:34
jast I have plenty of yaks already :P
El_Che that's pretty much the definition 11:35
but are the yaks as shiny as the new ones?
jast they're competing for shininess
so it keeps changing
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tonyo riscv is the way 16:21
tbrowder .ask leont i am getting a good test file results in a macos.yml run but it fails because prove6 reports it found a bad utf8 char. i cannot find any bad chars in my test files, and the linux run is good. i have looked at the '--trap' and '--err=ignore' options but haven't tried them yet. would '-err=ignore' be suitable for the utf8 problem? i will try that now... 16:36
tellable6 tbrowder, I'll pass your message to leont
leont o/
I don't think --trap is relevant to this, and probably --err isn't either 16:38
Where is it complaining about bad utf8? I need a bit more information
Geth advent: 8646050f5d | (Alexey Melezhik)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | raku-advent-2022/articles/melezhik.md
some sprucing up
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advent: e1a91a475e | (Alexey Melezhik)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | raku-advent-2022/articles/melezhik.md
or -> our
tonyo tbrowder: can you post your macos.yml file? 16:52
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tbrowder tonyo: yes, it's on github here: github.com/tbrowder/GraphicsMagick.../macos.yml 17:07
tellable6 2022-11-20T05:02:54Z #raku <hythm> tbrowder i'd check the hidden files inside the test directory, may be some files created by macOS inside the test directory and prove6 tries to run them
tbrowder hythm: i don't see any hidden files there 17:08
tellable6 tbrowder, I'll pass your message to hythm28
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tbrowder leont: i'm restoring my yml to "normal" and rerunning it now... 17:12
leont The error seems to come from your module not mine 17:16
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tbrowder but i have run that source file through Raku char by char and no utf8 errors are found. the same source is used successfully on Linux on github. any ideas? hm, i haven't checked the yml file, though, i will do that 17:27
could it be a newline problem? doesn't mac use something different? 17:28
tonyo just \n
macos thinks that's valid utf8 17:31
tbrowder i check the yml file and nothing unusual 17:34
bummer, so much for mac for that module, at least github testing-wise. any mac user want to clone it and test locally? thnx 17:36
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tbrowder wait a mo, i may see the bug... 17:40
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El_Che tbrowder: github actions has mac hosts iirc 17:55
tbrowder the err msg may be misleading 17:56
El_Che: thnx, i'll look into that 17:57
i just added another pkg and brew "poured" about another couple of cases of dependencies!! 17:58
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tbrowder El_Che: afaik my macos.yml is using github's mac for the tests. 18:07
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tbrowder anyhoo, abandoning macos for this module, al least for now. 18:08
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Xliff \o 18:13
tbrowder: How goes your project?
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melezhik .tell tonyo if fez allows unattended login now? 18:20
tellable6 melezhik, I'll pass your message to tonyo
tonyo what do you mean by unattended login?
melezhik I mean automatical login with interaction with a user
without
tonyo it does but not through the cli tool 18:21
melezhik where for example a password gets read from env var or whatever
using expect tool or something?
tonyo oh, you could use that
melezhik github.com/melezhik/sparrow-plugin.../task.bash ?
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melezhik I mean I though maybe something has changed since I wrote this last time 18:22
maybe more convenient way?
tonyo there isn't unless you write a new upload path using the libs that come with fez 18:23
melezhik ? is it documented ?
tonyo to use that cli path you _could_ create the fez config file manually
then it won't prompt for log in
melezhik can I see this in fez doc? 18:26
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melezhik I am reading this github.com/tony-o/raku-fez/blob/ma...ig.rakumod , however don't see where a password is stored ... 18:45
tonyo the auth token is stored 18:46
sorry - emergencies at work, need a few a while before i can get to digging around in raku stuff
melezhik NP ))
oh, it's just this - cat ~/.fez-config.json 18:57
and use a token any other machine )) 18:58
tonyo exactly 19:00
melezhik )) 19:04
I've enabled secrets in SparrowCI , so going to play with automatical `fez upload` from pipeline ...
so if people has a specific message in their commit ( say, "fez upload"), a pipeline would upload their module to zef eco system ... 19:05
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tonyo <3 19:15
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tbrowder Xliff: GraphicsMagick module is awaiting completion of my advent article… 19:22
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lizmat and yet another Rakudo Weekly News hits the Net: rakudoweekly.blog/2022/11/21/2022-47-migratory/ 19:37
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tbrowder ah, the debian user list suggests VirtualBox can run MacOS! 20:12
tonyo it can 20:13
kind of a hack but you can likely make it work
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tbrowder at 20:24
sounds like a plan
i've given up ever doing anything practical with it, but i would like to support users of it if practical. macos people i know (outside of here) think it's the only thing people use. my landlady sent the lease to me as a "pages" document and it was a real pain to figure out how to read it. i asked her to please create a pdf but she didn't know how. 20:28
tirnanog qemu can also run it. it's not a very pleasant experience because the lack of video acceleration disproporationately affects that particular operating system. it did work, though. 20:29
lizmat Pages has an "Export to PDF option"
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tbrowder my son is a macos user, but he sure spends a lot of money for it. 20:29
lizmat that may be true, but if I see how much I spend on configuring my Mac, compared to people configuring Linux, I value my hours more :-) 20:31
tbrowder lizmat: i knew it would, and casually suggested it, but she didn't know about that. i think she was too involved with her daughter's upcoming wedding. i think chrome somehow magically transformed it to pdf upon download. 20:34
anyhow, probably a good point about config time. 20:35
a deb user list reply says there is a mac license issue about running mac on non-mac hardware 20:39
that sounds familiar
anyone know
of a mac vm provider like digitalocean for a reasonable price? 20:41
so far the ones i've found are very pricey 20:42
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avuserow tbrowder: IIRC Apple also has some terms that make providing VM access fairly expensive (minimum 24 hour billing time or something) 20:48
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tonyo there definitely is a clause in the agreement about running it non-mac hardware 20:50
and, as avuserow, it's super expensive to run in a cloud (at least everywhere i've seen) 20:51
tbrowder yes. amazon has some but i couldn't find any way to get anything less than $200+ per month
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tonyo i haven't heard of mac going after any individual for running it though 20:52
avuserow yeah, a month of AWS billing is like $450, which feels like "buy a used Mac Mini" level
tbrowder catch 22 i guess 20:53
avuserow I guess the cheap option is trial and error via github actions
El_Che lizmat: very subjective you point :) 20:54
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tirnanog tbrowder: www.macminivault.com/dedicated-mac-mini/ 20:54
I don't think it gets much better than that.
El_Che lizmat: I configured a linux, mac and windows laptop for work. Linux worked pretty much out of the box how I wanted besided adding some shell config. Mac took me a long week. Windows is still a work in progress :P 20:55
tonyo craigslist is a good source for old apple hardware
El_Che is it?
tonyo yea
tbrowder since mac users have so much more time, maybe they could sell time with their own testing VMs
El_Che now with m1 and m2? you'll be gettting intels
tonyo tbrowder: i can make a vm available to you when i'm home next 20:56
about 1.5 weeks
tbrowder sure
tonyo no promises on up time as i live in the woods and both internet/power can be spotted
(but generally reliable) 20:57
40 m1 mac book (pro|air) for sale on craigslist here 20:58
three under $600
El_Che craglist, woods? USA? 21:00
tbrowder yes, but does their old OS versions support newer versions of packages? the 12-year-old mini i tried couldn't run much 21:01
my son sold it for $50 21:02
cost $400 originally
avuserow The M1 ones are current. They're running the ARM processor so they should be good for a while. 21:03
tirnanog nothing with "m1" among the specs can be particularly old.
they would all be able to run Ventura.
avuserow Looks like Macbooks from 2017 or newer can run the latest MacOS 21:06
tbrowder how does darwin play in all this mac world now?
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avuserow all I know about Darwin is that is is mentioned in `uname -a` :) 21:07
tbrowder thnx, maybe i'll ask Santa ;-D 21:31
Xliff tbrowder: I am also a MacOS user, now. 21:45
So if you need some testing done, please let me know.
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tonyo i have macbooks and linux (24core, 256gb ram), i build a riscv machine every week but never actually buy it 22:06
tbrowder Xliff, thnx. If you can spare a moment, try cloning github.com/tbrowder/GraphicsMagick.git and see if you can "zef test ." successfully in its directory 22:12
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ToddAndMargo native call question:  If I receive back a C++ Pointer with an address to a structure and I can calculate the size of the structure, how to I use the pointer to gather up the data from the structure into a Buf or similar?  What do I declare the to be returned CPointer as?  How do I use the pointer to be my data? 22:24
guifa_ tbrowder: I can probably give you some help with that module, but regrettably it might not be for another two weeks or so =/ 23:03
but definitely keep poking me about it 23:04
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tbrowder ok, thnx 23:16
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Nemokosch something has happened. I'm not seeing a lot of content on raku.land all of a sudden 23:19
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guifa_ it looks like a few users aren't showing up 23:41
for example, jnthn I thought had already moved most things over to fez 23:42
ToddAndMargo I believe you define it as Pointer[Foo] where Foo would be defined `class Foo is repr('CStruct') { … }` and then defining that struct accordingly 23:46
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