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Set by lizmat on 6 September 2022.
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coranila visualizations of what? 03:48
i don't think i understand; visualizing irreducible spirals? 03:50
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antononcube Some ideas for “Collatz visualizations” can be found here: demonstrations.wolfram.com/search?query=Collatz 06:54
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librasteve weekly: rakujourney.wordpress.com/2025/05/...k-minimal/ 07:28
notable6 librasteve, Noted! (weekly)
tellable6 hey librasteve, you have a message: gist.github.com/2636bd70608876dfb5...bcd2c5f57f
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lizmat librasteve is it correct that there is no App::Crag update? 09:09
tellable6 2025-05-18T17:37:12Z #raku <coranila> lizmat: i'd need to bump NQP revision to push the '"working"" (with 12 GB heap size..) rakudo-j build, but i can't push the corresponding NQP commits
lizmat coranila: perhaps make them PRs? 09:11
coranila lizmat: is there a reason for different permissions for NQP and Rakudo? am i supposed to use my old nick? is make j-bootstrap-files sacred? 09:16
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perhaps there are too many barriers for me to meaningfully contribute; especially considering the vibes include "arguing about whether LLMs are OK" and "ignoring when someone tries to stop a fight" and yeah 09:19
but that's all fine, im just upset because of my disabilities 09:21
lizmat coranila I just checked NQP settings, but didn't find any access for your old nick there? 09:24
lizmat looks better 09:25
coranila oh, it's probably gotten lost in the TPF/TRF transition? 09:26
like i sent that letter to the TPF ~11 years ago for the perl6 org commit bit 09:27
but yeah
it's all good, im just gonna step away again for a few days and see how i feel then
lizmat hmmm..... doubt: maybe I screwed up when I removed the old nick?
fwiw, coranila sent you an invite 09:33
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lizmat And yet another Rakudo Weekly News hits the Net: rakudoweekly.blog/2025/05/19/2025-...s-is-mini/ 10:01
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tbrowder ++lizmat, i don't know how you find all those raku nuggets for the weekly, but i'll bet you have a fancy, raku web scraper that does a lot of it. 12:04
lizmat actually, it's mostly just checking a number of sites... 12:05
the final one being a Google search on "Raku Programming Language" 12:06
and limiting to "past week"
tbrowder well, it's a lot of work and we always appreciate it very much! 12:07
lizmat thank you :-) 12:08
tbrowder you are welcome!
i'm trying to modernize some published distros and use Rakudoc instead of Pod (or Pod6) and would appreciate some opinions. if we look at some of the docs, RakuDoc (mixed case) is used, but in other cases it's Rakudoc which i think is more likely to be used by others. and it's like *Raku* and *raku*. use *Rakudoc* in documentation and *rakudoc* in code. 12:16
finanalyst uses the mixed case to emphasize the V2 version but i think that's gonna be lost on us ppl in userville. V2 is supposed to be a superset of V1. 12:19
my motivation at the moment is a modernization of JJ's Pod::Load. he suggested instead of my PR there, publish the PR under a new name. my choice is Rakudoc::Load, but the alternative would be RakuDoc::Load 12:24
i know this seems like hair-splitting, but i think Rakudoc will enhance consistency in the long run 12:27
oops, JJ likes RakuDoc 12:43
hm, i do see the upside, RakuDoc emphasizes the Doc and clearly different from RakuPod which is already in public code... 12:46
melezhik. Also … Pod has a strong association with k8s world 12:47
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tbrowder k8s? not familiar with that 13:32
pod as in human shelter? 13:33
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tbrowder 8.3 as in old 16-bit name length? 13:34
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antononcube @tonyo It seems that the newest "WWW::OpenAI" I pushed via fez is not published. (Again.) 13:50
melezhik. tbrowder: kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/workloads/pods/ 14:06
antononcube @coranila Some comments related to "arguing about whether LLMs are OK" 1. Having LLMs in a programming language / system is a "must", otherwise that system would be seen as old and irrelevant. 2. Raku is exceptionally good at dealing with LLMs. - Related to a another discussion of ours, I consider it to be much better than Python. - For example: How the "two lines transpiler" I posted two days ago would 14:12
look in Python? - Hint: it can be done using Raku-inspired Python packages. 3. Anyone who prefers to be an "LLM-luddite" -- also those who embrace LLMs -- should read "The Death of Stubborn Developer" and / or "The End of Programming as We Know It".
BTW, I do not consider those two articles are that insightful, but I do think they indicated well the current fashion of thought for LLMs and development. For example, 3D car printing analogy in "The Death of the Stubborn Developer" is quite nice. 14:14
jdv who runs the discord bot? 15:24
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coleman I just got an alert that the docs site it down. I'm on the train but I will check on it soon 16:05
tbrowder melezhik: thanks, i’m not savvy enough with kubernetes lingo, but i’ll bet perl pods predates that use 16:09
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coleman should be back up 16:24
[Coke] coleman: looks good, thanks for the quick turnaround. 16:26
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lucs This prints BAZ, which is what I want: 16:49
my $baz = 'Baz'; class A { method Baz {'BAZ'} }; say A."$baz"()
evalable6 BAZ
lucs But with "our sub" instead of "method", how can I do the same thing?:
# my $baz = 'Baz'; class A { our sub Baz {"BAZ"} }; say Aâ‹Ż? 16:50
Voldenet m: my $baz = "Baz"; class A { our sub Baz {"BAZ"} }; say A::{"&" ~ $baz}(); 16:58
camelia BAZ
Voldenet lucs: something like the above 16:59
[Coke] but also : why are you doing that? :)
lucs Voldenet: Yes! Thanks. Note simpler ending: A::{"&$baz"}() 17:02
[Coke]: Great question, eh :-) 17:03
Voldenet m: my $baz = "Baz"; class A { our sub Baz {"BAZ"} }; say ::("A::&$baz")();
camelia BAZ
Voldenet this also works, idk which is better in the case
lucs Voldenet: Nice one too.
[Coke]: I'm writing tests for some "our sub"s in a module that is not mine, and it turns out that the tests are easier to write by having the sub name as a variable. 17:06
[Coke] the our subs are *inside* a class, though? Seems od 17:07
*odd*
lucs Easier, after having spent a lot of time trying to unsuccessfully get the syntax right :-)
[Coke]: Welp, not my code.
Maybe it could be written otherwise, not sure. 17:08
tbrowder i’m still looking for a relatively easy web framework for a website. has anyone used Raku Hummingbird? if so, how was construction and live deployment compared to others you’ve tried? 17:12
ugexe i prefer say `&A::("$baz")()` 17:17
rather `&A::($baz)()`
lucs I don't exactly understand how all these variations result in the correct output, but that last one is perhaps the most elegant (and shortest!). 17:20
ugexe $baz is the only dynamic part of the namespace so ideally you wouldn't put e.g. & inside "" etc 17:21
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librasteve tbrowder: have you considered harcstack.org … there are some very simple examples for you to peruse in the Air::Play raku module (in lib/Air/Play dir) 20:15
HARC Stack is built on Cro, Red is an optional extra for simple sites. 20:16
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arkiuat I'm getting 23 identical lines from:      for -11..11 {DateTime.new("2025-05-19T17:00:00"~"%+03d".sprintf($_)).julian-date.say} 22:04
If you remove the call to .julian-date, you can see that they're definitely 23 different timezones 22:05
lizmat looks like .julian-date is not taking into account the timezone of the DateTime object 22:08
could you make an issue for that?
arkiuat first time for everything, i guess. a rakudo issue on github, i take it? 22:20
lizmat yes, please :-)
afk&
arkiuat looking over CONTRIBUTING.md 22:21
issue #5884 filed. whee! 22:31
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lucs arkiuat: Your nick reminds me of someone who used to hang out in #perl... 23:06
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