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Set by lizmat on 6 September 2022.
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erry i may have stayed up too late and got cursed ideas 00:02
and became a perl^w raku developer
but this looks the kind of language where i could use to make my own thing?
liek say i wanted to rename 'if' statements and make it not english
mwhahah
i feel like i should be able to do it but chatgpt is useless at this stuff 00:03
got to become a raku dev, not enough examples for chatgpt to replace
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antononcube @err Use the prompt "CodeWriterX" -- it produces good / workable Raku code reliably. 00:21
ugexe github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/9445...kumod#L818 00:22
also see dev.to/finanalyst/creating-a-new-p...draig-503p 00:23
for creating non-english syntax
erry oh 00:45
gist.github.com/errietta/601c3ccef...db0d09e477
lel
so i shouldnt have done it like that
D:
z. 00:46
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antononcube Looks interesting, for sure. 00:55
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ugexe github.com/Raku/L10N/tree/main/localizations 00:58
github.com/finanalyst/rakuast-L10N-JA even 00:59
erry :( 01:01
ok i check that
nice 01:02
i can learn japanese that way
very efficienet
i pass the n1 in no time like that
i'll become very jouzu
ew
Geth examples/docker-build-actions: 5e2a54a886 | (Coleman McFarland)++ | .github/workflows/build-docker.yml
Add GHA workflow to build and push docker container

Still need to add secrets to the Repo's backend to make the push work.		 01:04
examples: dontlaugh++ created pull request #103:
Add GHA workflow to build and push docker container		 01:05
tbrowder hi [Coke] thnx 01:07
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SmokeMachine weekly: dev.to/fco/deps-453b 03:09
notable6 SmokeMachine, Noted! (weekly)
SmokeMachine Voldenet: dev.to/fco/deps-453b
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Voldenet SmokeMachine: `:priority<deffer>` probably typo 05:43
but that's a nice post 05:44
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librasteve o/ 08:59
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lizmat librasteve ToyJeansEnableHardly 09:04
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librasteve 2 mins 09:05
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mozambique hello 09:10
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[Coke] 'allo 09:30
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Geth raku.org/main: b2ac305d23 | (Will Coleda)++ | source/fun/index.html
Remove cafepress, the link is dead.
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wayland Hi all, but especially librasteve_ : I've done a bit of an analysis of what we should have conversion guides for. My idea is that the new raku.org page will provide a pathway into a series of guides, but then the guides themselves will live in the doco. See github.com/librasteve/raku-org-25-...o/issues/7 for what I've put together. 11:23
In particular, people interested in the hARC stack (Red, Cro, etc) will be interested in the Web Frameworks section, and melezhik will be interested in the System/Configuration Management section. 11:30
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librasteve wayland: thanks ā€¦ iā€™ll go and take a look 12:48
tbrowder hi, if i have a string: , 13:14
string: ':type("name")' 13:15
whats the easy way to convert it to a pair? 13:16
m: my $s = ':type("name")'; say $s. ^name 13:17
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unsupported use of . to concatenate strings. In Raku please use: ~.
at <tmp>:1
------> my $s = ':type("name")'; say $s.<HERE> ^name
tbrowder erg, spaces.. 13:18
m: my $s = ':type("name")'; say $s.^name 13:19
camelia Str
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tbrowder m: my $s = "\:key\(\"value\"\)"; say $s.^name; my %h = %($s); say %h.^name 13:24
camelia Str
Odd number of elements found where hash initializer expected:
Only saw: ":key(\"value\")"
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
tbrowder i can do the trick a small piece at a time, but is there golfish way to do it? 13:26
timo m: say val(Q[:key("value")]).raku 13:32
camelia ":key(\"value\")"
timo mhm, that's just the string
i don't think we have something easily accessible that's not "toss the full raku language parser at it" at the moment 13:35
lucs m: my $x = EVAL ':K("V")'; print $x.key, $x.value # If EVAL is acceptable. 13:36
camelia KV
librasteve yeah - I think EVAL is good, or you could roll a mini Grammar 13:38
timo i would really not suggest EVAL :) 13:39
Geth examples: b5598e1c29 | (Will Coleda)++ | t/000-check-dependencies.t
This test just verifies deps are installed.

Duplicative of info in 'zef install --deps-only .'.
examples: 3fac5104f5 | (Will Coleda)++ | README.md
Note site is being archived

Part of #104
raku.org/main: 71183b1573 | (Will Coleda)++ | source/index.html
Remove link to stale examples site
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timo we don't have a way to "parse this but don't run any code", neither for the old raku grammar and the RakuAST grammar
tbrowder how about using RakuAST? 13:52
timo what i just said :) 13:54
m: use experimental :rakuast; Q[:value(my constant LOL = say "owned")].AST.raku.say
camelia owned
RakuAST::StatementList.new(
RakuAST::Statement::Expression.new(
expression => RakuAST::ColonPair::Value.new(
key => "value",
value => RakuAST::Circumfix::Parentheses.new(
RakuAST::SemiList.new(
ā€¦
antononcube weekly: rakuforprediction.wordpress.com/20...es-gemini/ 13:55
notable6 antononcube, Noted! (weekly)
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tbrowder yes, i was slow typing and didn't see yrs until i hit return :-( 13:56
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tbrowder cool! but i'll do it my own pick-apart way for now: thanks timo 14:01
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davidromero55 Hi, im working in a personal project and get something confusing, Why can not declare class Foo::Bar {} inside Foo/Bar.rakumod ? or just declade class Bar {} and use as Foo::Bar.new? 15:16
[Coke] The first one should work, no? 15:22
timo there's an important difference between "what do i put after `use`" and "what do i get after i use `use`"; the location of the file tells you what you "use", and what's in it decides what you get from it
you will need to have that class exported or "our" scoped for it to show up after you "use" it 15:23
[Coke] The second does not, the file name doesn't fixup the
... class name automagically
davidromero55 I finally get the problem, It work as class Foo::Bar {} but for some reason the Raku VS Code plugin is showing an error "Syntax: Redeclaration of symbol 'Foo::Bar'". In the compiler it runs.... 15:25
antononcube I was going to ask about that -- what editor / IDE are you using> 15:26
Better use IntelliJ for Raku package programming. I use VSCode with Raku a lot, but that is only for research projects. 15:27
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davidromero55 O thanks I going to try with IntelliJ 15:28
did you use Comma IDE or IntelliJ base Ide? 15:29
antononcube I use both now. But Comma IDE is obsolete. 15:30
Use a recent IntelliJ with this Raku plugin: github.com/ab5tract/comma-plugin 15:31
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erry does anybody actually use raku at work 20:26
i was a perl dev a looooong time ago
but there's not really perm jobs, i jumped to save my career
but my career eventually deaded anyway
nod
antononcube @erry Yeah. I answered similar question a few weeks ago here. 20:28
librasteve i use raku at work ... this is the most useful thing I have said rakujourney.wordpress.com/2024/11/...ciliation/
erry why llm prompt engineering specifically 20:29
i mean you can do that in any language
it's jjust an api call to <insert your favourite toy> 20:30
librasteve <<DSLLM>> 20:31
raku Grammars are fantastic for Domain Speciifc Languages (aka Slangs) ... and LLMs are language machines 20:32
thus DSLLMs (DSLs + LLMs) 20:33
antononcube @erry For "why doing LLM with Raku?" see "LLM::Functions" and/or "Jupyter::Chatbook".
Raku provides a more "uniform" LLM experience.
erry oh my god the flowchart 20:34
librasteve like a lot of things, if you match the power of the (prompt engineering) tool to the challenges of the (LLM) services you can get the best automation ... "impedance matching"
erry huh 20:35
th ellm stuff is .. something
librasteve "My God, it's full of stars." 20:36
antononcube @erry As I menttioned I am repeating myself here: (1) I use Raku for different work-related projects. (2) Half of the time the employers/clients do not know (or care) that I have implemented the functionalities in Raku. (3) I use the Raku-LLM functionalities for supporting other my use of other programming language and/or forming or analyzing documents. 20:38
At this point Raku is good for exploratory data analysis with datasets that have, say, less than 50k rows. 20:41
Most of the Raku programmers claim that Raku's CLI is excellent for making shell scripts. (I sort of agree, but "docopt" has made CLI in many programming languages easy.) 20:43
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erry yes 20:48
i c
uh 20:49
so you can have your pre-written prompts and call them as functions
it's kinda like langchain? 20:50
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erry i have to learn that 20:50
antononcube Right. "LLM::Prompts" also facilitates the declaring and usage of "local" prompts. 20:51
erry i c ic
every job ad now has 'langchain experience'
it's ridiculous. it's been out for like 3 years
I can learn it on my free time but if my job wasn't using it, it wasn't using it 20:52
how am i supposed to make work experience out of nowhere!
grbml.
grmbl.
[Coke] Yah, that was always an issue for me when I was consulting. Much easier now that I'm in a long term gig.
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erry [Coke]: nah i'm talking perm roles 20:55
the job market is LOL at the moment
you need to match the keywords 100% and then also drop your salary expectations down to as close to Ā£0 as possible
>_>
and while you're at it possibly offer to do sexual favours to the hiring manager i guess 20:56
can't hurt
sigh
also what's a long temr gig
erry laughs at tech redundancies every year
having said that i'm a job hopper 20:57
:D
antononcube @erry Yeah. IT job ads like "Looking for 21-26 year old code barista with long, shaved legs." might become common. 20:58
erry i have to shave my legs?
god damn it
antononcube Maybe, depends on the country or state.. 20:59
erry the lenghts i have to go to to get a jo
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antononcube BTW, data science jobs also shrunk. 21:00
erry fub 21:01
fun
i wanna start applying for jobs maybe next month
or in 21:02
a bit more than tha
my life is all up in the air right now
antononcube @erry I am curious now -- do you use Jupyter? Or you reacted to some other LLM-related flowchart...
erry disbot1: no the flowchart in the llm thing
i've used jupyter a bit but really i've not studied data analysis as much as maybe i should 21:03
i think it's a skill i need to have
we used DBT cloud a bit in my last gig
unfortunately just for 1 year before i got laid off
:(
i would have stayed there longer
instead of the job i ended up doing right after it
that's been uh, something 21:04
antononcube Hmmm... I have not heard of "dbt Cloud" before -- had to look it up. 21:05
erry they call it 'ai' now
wasn't the case when i used it
just data analysis
antononcube I see.
erry i wish i could keep getting jobs by word of mouth 21:06
when that happens i barely need an interview process
makes it much more pleasant
but normal application is like, upload CV, hope the ATS doesn't just auto reject you because you wrote 'nodejs' instead of 'node.js', message the hiring manager to show your appreciation for his talents, have first interview with some guy who has no idea what python or node even are, do a take home test which you have to narrate, have a STAR interview in a 5 person panel, do a live coding exercise, do a live architecture exercise, talk to the CEO.... 21:08
then you get a job offer that 's like Ā£10k below market value and you get a 6 month probation period
like that's long enough! if you get 6 whiole months that you can just get rid of me without any notice, why do you even need that ridiculous interview process 21:09
just hire me and fire me if i can't do the job
antononcube There was recently a Vampire joke about interviewing with panel...
erry i saw a job ad where they wanted to say 12-13 years of experience (as if that's not long enough already) but the - got eaten so it required 1213 years of experience 21:10
i posted on linkedin like "any vampires in my network interested in this job?"
antononcube > Interview with the Vampire > Technical screen with the Vampire > Leetcode with the Vampire > 2nd Round Interview with the Vampire > 3rd Round Interview with the Vampire > Zoom Whole-Team Interview with the Vampire > Executive Interview with the Vampire > After careful consideration, we decided weā€™re not moving ahead with your application, but weā€™ll keep your name in mind for future positions with the Vampire. 21:11
erry LMAOOO
ow 21:12
that hurts
antononcube Shouldn't it be "LMVAO" ?!
erry :)
I wonder if I should just buy a derelict house in japan and rennovate it and turn it into an airbnb
and live off that
idk anything but this :'(
antononcube With vampire services or without? (That Japanese house.) 21:13
erry yeah sure why not 21:14
it'll be a japanese vampire
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erry TIL åøč”€é¬¼ 21:14
antononcube Right "blood demon". 21:16
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librasteve Leetcode with the Vampire - XDD 21:41
japhb I've had interviews that felt like my life was being sucked out through my neck, so ... can confirm? 21:52
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japhb Worst interview group though is the one where you realize that the person interviewing you doesn't actually know what they would need to in order to assess your answers. And that person is the hiring manager. 21:54
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antononcube šŸ’Æ 21:58
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tbrowder if i use experimental :rakuast in a prog, how do i interrogate the equivalent of $=pod6? our docs have a lot on RakuAST and rakudoc v2, but no direct help for a user that i can see. there is a ā€œrenderā€ method out there, in the ether, but its description is hard to deal with for meā€”way too much http involved. 21:59
timo just "use experimental :rakuast" doesn't switch the parser used for your code over yet, you need that env var for it 22:02
RAKUDO_RAKUAST=1
tbrowder ah, i forgot
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[Coke] $=pod gets you (in my case here) an array of Pod::Blocks 22:05
I think $=pod might always be everything, but you could a particular section if you have it named. 22:07
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antononcube I forgot what was "Leetcode"... 22:34
tbrowder yeah, i can get an RakuAST::Block.new but only get empty methods so far 22:42
i mean RakuAST::Doc::Block.nee 22:43
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tbrowder until we can get the equiv of $=pod6 inside a raku script i canā€™t see much utility for self documentation, but iā€™m not a very forward thinker. 22:53
^^^ for RakuAST::Doc::*, that is 22:54
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tbrowder but, i will keep experimenting. actually, the current docs do have info on the RakuAST::Doc::* methods i haven't seen anywhere else and the look promising for external pod files... 23:18
*they 23:19
timo hm. i can only get regular old instances of the Pod classes from $=pod as well as &mysub.WHY; is the rakuast doc classes maybe not meant to replace these pod classes at all? 23:22
like, the Pod:: classes are what you get out of stuff, and RakuAST::Doc is what you have to work with when you work with RakuAST directly, and then it will compile into Pod::blah instances 23:23
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