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Set by lizmat on 6 September 2022.
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japhb smacks Voldenet with a halibut: NO UCS ENCODINGS! ONLY UTF! 02:45
[Coke]: Why are some modules in that Essential-Modules list unmarked while others have git URLs and version tags? 02:47
Also, what is the sorting order for the list, if any?
[Coke]: Oh wait, were all the ones with git URLs from the Rakudo-Star modules.txt list? 02:48
It seems like since Rakudo-Star is using zef to install everything now, most of the install references should be in the form of fully-specified auth/api/ver strings 02:51
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disbot3 <jubilatious1_98524> @Coke Linenoise 03:16
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disbot3 <jubilatious1_98524> @Coke Text::CSV 03:17
<jubilatious1_98524> @Coke XML 03:18
<jubilatious1_98524> @Coke PrettyDump 03:25
<jubilatious1_98524> @Coke _ (lowbar) 03:39
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Geth problem-solving: patrickbkr++ created pull request #478:
Solution for #455 - New Script Wrappers		 07:10
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lizmat weekly: dev.to/lizmat/the-second-raku-core-summit-f99 10:04
notable6 lizmat, Noted! (weekly)
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lizmat weekly: wendyga.wordpress.com/2025/06/25/c...mmit-2025/ 10:58
notable6 lizmat, Noted! (weekly)
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disbot3 <itsrakanott> A very niche question: can Raku compile to JS? 13:34
patrickb In theory yes. But the backend is unstable and been unmaintained for quite some years. 13:36
disbot3 <itsrakanott> That's a shame. Well, back to HTMX 13:38
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jdv who's the sparrow/sparky person again? 14:31
lizmat melezhik 14:32
jdv thanks
SmokeMachine lizmat: Were the summit recorded? I’m very interested to know about “Querying the AST”… any information?
jdv .tell melezhik any idea why this says its passing on your platform?: raku.land/zef:hythm/Pakku 14:33
tellable6 jdv, I'll pass your message to melezhik
lizmat no, there was no recording, it was *waaay* to disorganized for that
SmokeMachine lizmat: will that be any kind of summarisation shout the topics/discussions or something like that? Sorry, but I’m really interested… 14:34
lizmat your module was mentioned, as was the whole optimizing the AST (which would be needed for the official 6.e. release) 14:35
SmokeMachine: I intend to do so... :-) in a followup to dev.to/lizmat/the-second-raku-core-summit-f99 which was only part 1 14:36
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SmokeMachine lizmat: thank you very much! And is there any plan on optimising AST for searching? About my module’s mention, is there any suggestion for implementing it? 14:38
lizmat no plans that I know of optimizing the AST for searching that I know of, nine?
jdv what does "optimising AST for searching?" mean?
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jdv can't you just walk it? 14:39
lizmat the consensus was that SmokeMachine's module was definitely a source of inspiration
melezhik о/
tellable6 2025-06-23T13:56:46Z #raku <[Coke]> melezhik - awesome, thanks
2025-06-25T14:33:20Z #raku <jdv> melezhik any idea why this says its passing on your platform?: raku.land/zef:hythm/Pakku
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lizmat wrt to walking: I think we need a way to: 1. have an AST be able to replace itself, and b. as soon as a child of an AST is walked, be able to stop walking the other children 14:40
s/b/2
melezhik jdv: - it used , now it just shows the cached old results, i need to adjust build abit to make it real 14:41
SmokeMachine jdv: yes you can… but that’s not that easy to match… 14:42
melezhik If this worth of weekly post ? github.com/acrion/raku-arch-packager
SmokeMachine lizmat: thanks… :)
lizmat melezhik: perhaps with a blog post about it? :-) 14:43
jdv melezhik: i was just curious if it was gh's problem or your platform's
melezhik Ah . Ok. Let me actualize the build and we will see
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jdv that modules fails to test clean on 2025.03 and 2025.04 for me so far... 14:45
melezhik jdv: sparky build is broken as well - sparky.sparrowhub.io/report/hythm7-Pakku/24934 looks like it needs some system packages which are missing on build container 14:50
jdv: do you maintain Pakku ? 14:51
lizmat Pakky is maintained by hythm
*Pakku
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melezhik It actually needs libarchive 14:56
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melezhik jdv: ok , let me finish my new setup and I will let you know how this on my end 14:57
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jdv it looks like the module is actually broken, at least its tests are. i'm not terribly concerned cause i don't use it. 14:59
but was just curious about the misleading status thingee
thanks!
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slentzen Haha nice 15:04
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slentzen Does anyone have experience with network programming? 15:06
lizmat probably :-) 15:07
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disbot3 <antononcube> "network programming" -- please define. 15:08
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melezhik jdv: confirmed failed on sparky either , sparky.sparrowhub.io/report/hythm7-Pakku/24940 , rakudo version 2025.05 15:34
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melezhik Sorry for typo :,either -> as well 15:37
slentzen ‘ I have problems with add well, 15:38
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[Coke] japhb: there is no rhyme to the list at this point. it's inputs from 4 different places with a partial cleanup in progress. 16:28
throw any suggestions at the bottom of the page. Eventually this will turn into a data structure in blin I can query 16:30
rakudo star had some pinned versions, I started clearing those out.
added jubilatious1_98524's entries.
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[Coke] always weird sshing into my home irc box from a highway. 16:31
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disbot3 <nurturethevibe> Did anyone write simplex noise for Raku yet? 😄 16:42
[Coke] don't see it on raku.land 16:44
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disbot3 <librasteve> o/ 17:52
<librasteve> [Coke]: please can you point me to your summit notes (from our jitsi call specifically, but i am curious to see all of them if they are public)...? 17:53
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[Coke] Nope, they were all private. 19:16
they were not curated at all, just brain dumps as we went.
One sec.
pinged you the link on irc 19:19
Patrick & Liz have both emitted some content summing things up. I should review what's left, will have time this week. 19:24
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disbot3 <librasteve> tx! 19:30
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[Coke] japhb: the list is much cleaner now (still needs a pass) 19:40
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disbot3 <librasteve> coming off lizmats weekly, I share the notion that slavenskoj is an AI construct orcid.org/0009-0003-3051-7000 , therefore I request all zef modules by this auth be deleted immediately to avoid dilution of the ecosystem 20:33
japhb [Coke]: Ah nice. Also nice to see I have a few modules in the list. :-) 21:00
timo we don't really have a rule against vibe-coded modules on the ecosystem, and i'm not sure there's any requirement for levl of quality for inclusion in the ecosystem, except we maybe throw things out that are clearly malicious, as in literal malware 21:02
and we don't have any rules that force someone to use a "legal name" for submissions either 21:03
japhb Might be nice to have a web of trust or other reputational system though.
So as to avoid people being caught unawares by untrustworthy auth's 21:04
timo are we going to build a CA system? :P 21:09
with gpg-style web of trusts, you can always build a swarm of keys that trust each other, and/or clones of existing keys and their relationships with only their IDs being different 21:10
without at least one trust anchor, a web of trust system would be useless, especially to someone coming into the whole topic completely fresh 21:11
japhb RSC members could be trust anchors for such a system. 21:17
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timo seems like an obvious choice. just gotta make sure we don't load too much effort onto them (though with the web they can "just" give an amount of trust to another user who pledges they will review code thoroughly or something like that) 21:38
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[Coke] (untrustworthy auths) esp. since we allow names to be reused. 21:58
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