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🦋 Welcome to the IRC channel of the core developers of the Raku Programming Language (raku.org #rakulang). This channel is logged for the purpose of history keeping about its development | evalbot usage: 'm: say 3;' or /msg camelia m: ... | Logs available at irclogs.raku.org/raku-dev/live.html | For MoarVM see #moarvm Set by lizmat on 8 June 2022. |
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| Geth | rakudo: 683ddf4767 | (Vadim Belman)++ | tools/templates/NQP_REVISION Bump NQP Prepare for #4993. |
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| Geth | rakudo: 71de22321d | (Vadim Belman)++ | 25 files Implement nominalizable transparency for definites The following will now produce correct true output: subset Foo of Int(); say Foo:D.^archetypes.coercive; ... (25 more lines) |
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| rakudo: 9b13a55a12 | (Vadim Belman)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 25 files Merge pull request #4993 from vrurg/make-generics-better Implement nominalizable transparency for definites |
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| nine | vrurg: which archetypes method actually uses the $obj parameter? I still cannot find any | 07:04 | |
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| lizmat | @vrurg all Inline::Perl5 tests in roast fail for me after pull / rebuild | 07:05 | |
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| lizmat | @vrurg all Inline::Perl5 tests in roast fail for me after pull / rebuild | 07:06 | |
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| nine | That's the backwards incompatibility we're talking about. | 07:13 | |
| lizmat | meh | 07:42 | |
| so that implies any installation running with Inline::Perl5 will break if they upgrade to Rakudo 2022.08 without upgrading Inline::Perl5 as well ? | 07:44 | ||
| nine | yes | 07:54 | |
| lizmat | meh again :-( | ||
| nine | And I do not even understand why that change is needed. Why pass a parameter to a method when it doesn't get used? | ||
| lizmat | so that you can customize it with that parameter ? | 07:55 | |
| nine | But none of the archetypes methods does that. | ||
| lizmat | well, we still have a few weeks to revert... | 07:56 | |
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| Kaiepi | i double checked the hs_log_* produced by the CORE.d.setting failure on the jvm | 08:26 | |
| usually i kinda gloss over module loader errors because they can happen for entirely unrelated reasons at times, but i noticed this was happening a bit later than is normal for one of those | 08:27 | ||
| it happens in the nqp::loadbytecode op, but not until attempting to get a constructor for a loaded class | 08:28 | ||
| or rather, at a different time | 08:29 | ||
| this line in particular github.com/Raku/nqp/blob/9858768b7...r.java#L71 | 08:31 | ||
| thing i don't get is this is happening rather late in the loading of bytecode... why such a huge chunk of memory? | 08:32 | ||
| the files are already loaded, and decompressed | |||
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| Geth | rakudo: 49e04c6193 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | CREDITS Update CREDITS |
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| vrurg | lizmat, nine: archetypes has to have a parameters otherwise there is no solution for examples in the PR (github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/4993) | 13:07 | |
| Unfortunately, in many locations where generics are instantiated, either additional checks for definites are to be introduced (performance), or a single "unused" attribute of archetypes makes the cost much smaller. | 13:10 | ||
| The problem is that definites implemented as parameterizations. Therefore, in order to determine archetypes of underlying type of a definite, one has to have the type itself to resolve its parameters. Since definites are ubiquitous, parameterization spares us memory and performances on creating new metamodel object for each new definite. | 13:13 | ||
| lizmat, nine: Ah, and one more. This is another reason why I see Inline::Perl5 as a part of Rakudo. As long as spectests depend on it to be complete. | 13:22 | ||
| nine | vrurg: I do see the effect of your change, i.e. the difference between passing that argument and not. But I can't for the life of mine find the place in the code that actually uses that parameter. | 14:10 | |
| Ah, god damn it, there it is: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/4993...92c1278R11 | 14:11 | ||
| vrurg | I see... Right, that's the place. | 14:12 | |
| BTW, speaking of backward compat, archetypes are not specced and therefore remain implementation detail, as most of the metamodel is. | 14:13 | ||
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| Geth | rakudo: pamplemoussecache++ created pull request #5015: Update all ranged copyrights from 2021 to 2022 |
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| Geth | rakudo: 36b0a635ff | (Madeleine Goebel)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 8 files Update all ranged copyrights from 2021 to 2022 (#5015) Co-authored-by: Madeleine Goebel [email@hidden.address] Co-authored-by: Madeleine Goebel <mgoebel@biocircuit.com> |
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