🦋 Welcome to the MAIN() IRC channel of the Raku Programming Language (raku.org). This channel is logged for the purpose of keeping a history about its development | evalbot usage: 'm: say 3;' or /msg camelia m: ... | Log available at irclogs.raku.org/raku/live.html . If you're a beginner, you can also check out the #raku-beginner channel!
Set by lizmat on 8 June 2022.
00:00 reportable6 left, gfldex joined 00:01 reportable6 joined 00:11 linkable6 left 00:13 linkable6 joined 00:19 ProperNoun joined 00:27 gfldex left, gfldex joined 00:48 simcop2387 joined 00:49 perlbot joined 00:50 elcar0[m] joined 01:16 bingos is now known as BinGOs 02:16 bloatable6 left, reportable6 left, statisfiable6 left, evalable6 left, sourceable6 left, coverable6 left, bisectable6 left, linkable6 left, committable6 left, nativecallable6 left, releasable6 left, benchable6 left, unicodable6 left, notable6 left, greppable6 left, shareable6 left, quotable6 left 02:17 quotable6 joined, notable6 joined, sourceable6 joined, nativecallable6 joined, unicodable6 joined, statisfiable6 joined, evalable6 joined 02:18 coverable6 joined, releasable6 joined, committable6 joined, linkable6 joined, benchable6 joined, bisectable6 joined 02:19 greppable6 joined, bloatable6 joined, reportable6 joined, shareable6 joined 03:04 frost joined 03:31 sftp left 04:31 nativecallable6 left, coverable6 left, greppable6 left, statisfiable6 left, shareable6 left, bisectable6 left, linkable6 left, evalable6 left, releasable6 left, reportable6 left, notable6 left, committable6 left, unicodable6 left, bloatable6 left, sourceable6 left, quotable6 left, benchable6 left, greppable6 joined, coverable6 joined 04:32 committable6 joined, releasable6 joined, nativecallable6 joined, quotable6 joined 04:33 evalable6 joined, notable6 joined, shareable6 joined, unicodable6 joined, bloatable6 joined 04:34 reportable6 joined, linkable6 joined, bisectable6 joined, sourceable6 joined, benchable6 joined, statisfiable6 joined 04:59 djerius left 05:59 quotable6 left, statisfiable6 left, committable6 left, notable6 left, sourceable6 left, evalable6 left, linkable6 left, nativecallable6 left, greppable6 left, reportable6 left, coverable6 left, bisectable6 left, benchable6 left, shareable6 left, bloatable6 left, releasable6 left, unicodable6 left, reportable6 joined, bloatable6 joined, unicodable6 joined 06:00 reportable6 left, statisfiable6 joined, greppable6 joined, coverable6 joined, nativecallable6 joined 06:01 bisectable6 joined, benchable6 joined, committable6 joined, evalable6 joined, quotable6 joined 06:02 notable6 joined, releasable6 joined, shareable6 joined, sourceable6 joined, linkable6 joined 06:03 reportable6 joined 07:03 shareable6 left, notable6 left, benchable6 left, sourceable6 left, releasable6 left, coverable6 left, committable6 left, linkable6 left, quotable6 left, bisectable6 left, nativecallable6 left, statisfiable6 left, greppable6 left, reportable6 left, bloatable6 left, evalable6 left, unicodable6 left, statisfiable6 joined, coverable6 joined 07:04 shareable6 joined, bloatable6 joined, linkable6 joined 07:05 reportable6 joined, benchable6 joined, bisectable6 joined, quotable6 joined, unicodable6 joined, evalable6 joined, greppable6 joined, nativecallable6 joined, sourceable6 joined, releasable6 joined 07:06 notable6 joined, committable6 joined 07:17 dakkar joined 07:18 lichtkind joined 07:37 mexen joined 07:38 Sgeo left 08:01 Tirifto left 08:04 sena_kun joined 08:05 Tirifto joined 08:08 a3r0 left, a3r0 joined 08:23 Tirifto left 08:24 Tirifto joined 08:36 Maylay left 08:40 Maylay joined 08:43 Nemokosch joined
Nemokosch The module resolution seems to fail on non-ascii paths and this seems to be a Rakudo thing; zef handles the path properly 08:46
lizmat ?
Nemokosch modules happen to be installed under your personal folder 08:47
think about what happens if your username happens to be, for example, Márton
this is possible on Windows for sure, idk for POSIX systems 08:48
so yes, zef finds the folder and installs stuff under I think .raku nicely
lizmat well, if it doesn't work, it's a bug, because it is supposed to work 08:49
Nemokosch however, if I try to run the script that depends on the certain module, the error log shows that it tried to resolve some garbage version
09:04 kolofon joined
Nemokosch interesting... the output seems to be different today 09:06
maybe the restart made a difference?
even if it did - this time around, Cro::HTTP::Client wouldn't even install, can't find some internal tar.gz file during installation 09:10
09:18 kolofon left 09:33 sena_kun left 09:42 kolofon joined 10:29 simcop2387 left, simcop2387 joined, perlbot left 10:31 sena_kun joined 10:32 kolofon left 10:33 perlbot joined 11:12 frost left 11:40 sena_kun left, sena_kun joined 12:00 reportable6 left, reportable6 joined 12:05 frost joined
Geth doc: 2e682ec2e5 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | CREDITS
Update CREDITS
 12:05
12:08 frost left 12:18 [Coke] joined 12:21 [Coke]_ left 12:22 drakonis joined 12:23 frost joined
drakonis plt.cs.northwestern.edu/pkg-build/...index.html unrelated to raku but still has some fairly cool stuff 12:43
12:49 frost left 13:20 MoC joined 13:21 jgaz joined 13:32 jgaz left, jgaz joined 13:49 MoC left 14:28 colomon joined
colomon o/ 14:28
El_Che colomon: by coincidence I watchted the Valiant episode yesterday :) 14:31
colomon I've wandered into some weird Inline::Perl5 hell.  Was trying to convert a short Perl 5 script that works on my machine to Raku.  Started by just slapping :from<Perl5> on the use statements.  This worked for two uses, failed for the third, as it was unable to find the module.  Eventually noticed the @INC list it showed was trying to search a 14:32
bunch of non-existent directories that appeared to be for an earlier version of P5.  So I tried uninstalling Inline::Perl5 and reinstalling it -- but now it won't build at all?
Aborting due to build failure: Inline::Perl5:ver<0.59>:auth<github:niner> (use --force-build to override)
lizmat nine I think it might need a bump ? 14:33
colomon How do I even tell what's going wrong in any detail? 14:36
lizmat colomon: what version of Rakudo are you on ? 14:39
colomon Built on MoarVM version 2022.04. 14:40
(errr, v2022.04) 14:41
I mean Rakudo v2022.04
[Coke] could run the tests with --verbose, maybe? 14:47
(I assume you're doing a zef install?)
colomon yes, zef 14:49
wasn't able to figure out how to do that directly, just did zef look to get into the Inline-Perl5-0.59 source.  There   zef test .   works fine. 14:52
zef build .  # fails with the same error
zef --verbose build . 14:56
===> Building: Inline::Perl5:ver<0.59>:auth<github:niner>
[Inline::Perl5] Command: /Users/colomon/tools/rakudo-moar-2022.04-01-macos-arm64-clang/bin/rakudo -MMONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL -e exit((require ::(q|Distribution::Builder::MakeFromJSON|)).new(:meta(EVAL($*IN.slurp(:close)))).build(q|/Users/colomon/.zef/tmp/Inline%3A%3APerl5%3Aver%3C0.59%3E%3Aauth%3Ccpan%3ANINE%3E.tar.gz/Inline-Perl5-0.59|)??0!!1)
===> Building [FAIL]: Inline::Perl5:ver<0.59>:auth<github:niner>
Nemokosch I haven't seen you around for a while 15:02
colomon Just quietly using Raku pretty much every day... 15:07
[Coke] colomon: when did we meet in person? Chicago/parrot ? 15:11
oh - someone removed the parrot foundation from wikipedia. There goes my claim to fame. 15:12
colomon Never went to Chicago for Perl, was probably Columbus YAPC circa 2009ish?
think that was my first Perl event.  (not counting tiny lecture Damian gave on Perl 6 in Ann Arbor circa 2004 15:14
[Coke] 23:38, 15 February 2021 Explicit talk contribs deleted page Parrot Foundation (Expired PROD, concern was: Non-notable organization. No reliable, third party sources to establish notability or verify content.) 15:15
15:19 sftp joined
nine colomon: when you run that command manually, does it give you any more information? 15:20
colomon bad pattern 15:21
(will gist asap)
15:22 japhb left
colomon gist.github.com/colomon/0514cef59a...e0a0a8faaa 15:22
colomon is also unable to get CPAN working on his Linux box, so he's reduced to trying to fetch an Ubuntu ARM VM to his MBP so he can try to get his setup running there... 15:29
15:29 japhb joined
[Coke] something expecting non-zsh? 15:36
15:49 Kaiepi left
nine colomon: you'll have to quote that code 16:02
16:04 ProperNoun left 16:07 ProperNoun joined, dakkar left
colomon nine for the -e ? 16:08
nine yes 16:10
colomon -e "exit((require ::(q|Distribution::Builder::MakeFromJSON|)).new(:meta(EVAL($*IN.slurp(:close)))).build(q|/Users/colomon/.zef/tmp/Inline%3A%3APerl5%3Aver%3C0.59%3E%3Aauth%3Ccpan%3ANINE%3E.tar.gz/Inline-Perl5-0.59|)??0--verbose)" gets me 'two terms in a row", complaining about --verbose 16:12
16:14 drakonis left
[Coke] is that being generated from "zef --verbose" or are you adding it some other way? 16:15
colomon oh,it was, yes 16:16
from zef --verbose build . 16:17
but if I leave off the --verbose there, I don't get the command its complaining about at all.
[Coke] how old is your zef, out of curiousity? 16:18
16:19 vrurg left, vrurg_ joined
colomon zef --version returns v0.13.8 16:20
[Coke] sounds pretty current. :) 16:22
ugexe i dont think the output command for Distribution::Builder::MakeFromJSON can be run as shown (only for the more common Builder.pm based dists). In the command shown its expecting $*IN.slurp(:close) to read in META6.json data as a raku hash 16:25
you'd also need to use single quotes, not double quotes 16:28
github.com/ugexe/zef/blob/master/l...od#L16-L31 16:31
putting that synopsis code in the root of the inline::perl5 repo and running it should do the same thing 16:32
colomon ugexe Assuming you meant the code in yellow highlighting there, I get a similar but slightly different error 16:39
Command: /Users/colomon/tools/rakudo-moar-2022.04-01-macos-arm64-clang/bin/rakudo -I/Users/colomon/.zef/tmp/Inline%3A%3APerl5%3Aver%3C0.59%3E%3Aauth%3Ccpan%3ANINE%3E.tar.gz/Inline-Perl5-0.59 -MMONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL -e exit((require
::(q|Distribution::Builder::MakeFromJSON|)).new(:meta(EVAL($*IN.slurp(:close)))).build(q|/Users/colomon/.zef/tmp/Inline%3A%3APerl5%3Aver%3C0.59%3E%3Aauth%3Ccpan%3ANINE%3E.tar.gz/Inline-Perl5-0.59|)??0!!1)
Something went wrong 16:40
ugexe presumably there is no output from Distribution::Builder::MakeFromJSON then
[Coke] I'm confused - why are you trying to run these commands by hand and not let zef do it? 16:41
colomon because zef fails when it runs them 16:42
[Coke] When I first suggested verbose, I was thinking you'd pass it in, get extra diag output, and we'd be looking at that.
ugexe i think they were just confirming that zef wasn't swallowing some output that would reveal the issue
[Coke] ahhh
colomon the only useful thing verbose returned was the command that was failing to run
ugexe that means no output came from github.com/niner/Distribution-Buil...keFromJSON 16:44
16:48 kolofon joined
[Coke] submits a very small PR for that distro. 16:50
17:07 sena_kun left 17:18 discord-raku-bot joined 17:22 kaskal- joined 17:25 kaskal left 17:30 Nemokosch left 17:31 discord-raku-bot left 17:32 discord-raku-bot joined 17:38 Geth left, Geth joined
leont fez password reset failed because it was slow to arrive 17:38
17:39 Kaiepi joined 17:40 linkable6 left 17:41 linkable6 joined 17:44 pamplemoussecach joined, pamplemoussecach is now known as pamplemousse
pamplemousse o/ 17:47
It's been a minute! Hope everyone is doing well 17:48
lizmat o/ pamplemousse
[Coke] using Terminal::Spinners - it doesn't seem to get updates when call it from inside a .race block, is that expected?
lizmat pamplemousse: yes, module weather and stuff :-) 17:49
pamplemousse I'm currently dipping my toes back into the world of Raku by way of working through some of the issues marked "easy to resolve" and was wondering if I could some pointers. Namely, the one I'm working on requires me to read through some NQP code, and I'm a little lost on the syntax. 17:52
Does anyone know of a specific doc that would be good for me to read through to get a crash course in NQP? 17:53
lizmat: Ooo, sounds like a fun time!
lizmat if it's syntax..
it's like Raku but a *lot* simpler 17:54
if its about opcodes: github.com/Raku/nqp/blob/master/do...findcclass
if its about opcodes: github.com/Raku/nqp/blob/master/do...s.markdown
actually :-)
and there's github.com/edumentab/rakudo-and-nq...als-course 17:55
although that might be a bit dated
17:57 sena_kun joined
pamplemousse Oh excellent! I remember working through the internals course my first time around :) Hopefully taking a look through it will be enough to jog my memory 17:59
lizmat I hope so... /me should revisit that again sometime as well :-)
18:00 reportable6 left 18:02 reportable6 joined
[Coke] is anyone using Terminal::Spinners, btw, or just me? :) 18:11
Nemokosch does it work on Windows in the first place? 18:15
I thought you were using Windows or something
18:33 Colere left
gfldex [Coke]: I wouldn't pull in a depedency for something simple that a Spinner: my @loop = |("\x1F550" .. "\x1F55B") xx *; react whenever Supply.interval(0.1) { print "\b\b" ~ @loop.shift; } 18:38
18:40 Colere joined, Colere left 18:41 Colere joined 18:43 Furor joined 18:45 Colere left
colomon Huh.  On my new Linux VM, zef install Inline::Perl5 fails with message /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl: No such file or directory 18:55
18:57 pamplemousse left
leont colomon: what distro are you using? 19:03
If debianoid you might need the libperl-dev package, for other dists probably something similar 19:04
colomon trying that 19:06
that seems to have worked, leont++ 19:08
19:09 vrurg_ is now known as vrurg
Nemokosch gfldex: the question is, why is a worse solution superior to a _zero-dependency_ module, implying that zef is a reliable module manager? 19:10
19:14 vrurg_ joined
gfldex That one tiny module isn 19:15
19:15 Maylay left
ugexe one reason is its often easier to audit a couple lines of code than a full distribution. if a developer doesn't audit their dependencies they wont have that problem 19:16
gfldex That one tiny module isn't the problem. But if you go down that road you might end up with dozens of tiny modules.
19:16 vrurg left
ugexe although i don't think terminal spinners can practically be done in a few lines in a cross platform way 19:18
which i wrote a blog post about long ago - deathbyperl6.com/create-a-perl6-te...gress-bar/ 19:19
Nemokosch Well, that's what this particular module also does 🙂 19:36
Just you don't need to reimplement it every single time
19:37 TieUpYourCamel joined 20:04 vrurg_ is now known as vrurg 20:10 pamplemousse joined 20:13 pamplemousse left 20:21 pamplemousse joined
[Coke] (not use spinners because it's easy) - I'm using the bar chart showing percent done. 20:22
gfldex: ^^
20:23 pamplemousse left 20:49 Kaiepi left 20:51 Kaiepi joined 20:54 saint- left 20:56 jmcgnh left
Geth doc: tbrowder++ created pull request #4100:
Add examples of obtaining path parts		 20:57
21:04 pamplemousse joined, pamplemousse left 21:07 jmcgnh joined 21:15 sena_kun left 21:22 jgaz left 21:43 melezhik joined
melezhik .tell AlexDaniel has anything recently changed in whaeverable Rakudo builds? I am trying to use raku in unpacked tarball but get this error - sparrowhub.io:2222/report/985 ( please init section tab ) 21:44
21:50 melezhik left 21:55 melezhik joined
melezhik .tell AlexDaniel never mind my previous comment , looks like distros are just not found - curl -s whateverable.6lang.org/9b13a55a12b...c1de1d7a46 -D - -o /dev/null | head -n 1 21:56
HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
22:00 pamplemousse joined
melezhik ... and it still the issue though ... 22:01
22:01 melezhik left 22:06 sena_kun joined 22:12 pamplemousse left 22:25 sena_kun left 22:28 pamplemousse joined 22:29 pamplemousse left 22:36 pamplemousse joined
tbrowder arg, doc chg test failure. please someone remind me again HOW to keep example code from nuking the doc test... 22:49
=begin NEUTERED CODE...
22:56 sevvie left, lichtkind left, sevvie joined, lichtkind joined 23:24 colomon left 23:28 lichtkind left 23:33 kolofon left 23:39 kolofon joined 23:42 Sgeo joined 23:45 pamplemousse left 23:56 pamplemousse joined

Powered by Cro and the Raku® Programming Language.

Please report any issues / comments / feature requests as an issue on App::Raku::Log.

Thank you!