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Set by diakopter on 11 July 2007.
pugs_svnbot r17557 | sunnavy++ | supplemented the tests of the first position reserved pseudo-package names 00:02
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17557
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17557 - Pugs - Trac
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mncharity Fyi, www.perl.com/download.csp currently says "The developer's release of Perl is currently at version 5.9.4." Which hasn't been true for almost 2 months now. A symptom of O'Reilly switching to ruby? 01:43
lambdabot Title: Downloading the Latest Version of Perl
mncharity Rather interferes with testing for 5.10..
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bjoern_ Hi, I just built pugs on Win32; towards the end of the process, I got: 02:00
Linking pugs.exe.new ...
gcc: unrecognized option `-nologo'
gcc: unrecognized option `-GF'
gcc: unrecognized option `-Zi'
it's trying to use MSVC++ options when calling GCC. I don't know why it would call gcc there, seems a bug to me.
(building from svn with the latest ghc installed, fwiw) 02:01
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sunnavy seems TimToady doesn't have a stable line :-) 05:09
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wolverian mncharity, better to report to them than to us here, probably. 05:26
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meppl good morning 07:16
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agentzh morning, meppl 08:26
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masak good morning 09:06
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masak I thought today I would do another excursion into pugs 09:12
see if I can satisfy a t/ test and maybe gain some more insight
of course, I won't be able to touch the big-picture stuff 09:13
but I imagine there are some small things which have succumbed to bit rot but which are easy to fix 09:14
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moritz_ probably there are ;) 09:20
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pugs_svnbot r17558 | moritz++ | t/var/var.t: one more smartlink, more needed 09:24
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17558
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17558 - Pugs - Trac
moritz_ sunnavy++ recently added a test in t/var/var.t about forbidden module names, that might be easy to whack into pugs
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masak moritz_: thx for the tip 09:26
I'll look into it
masak looks into it
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pugs_svnbot r17559 | moritz++ | t/statements/gather.t: added smartlink 09:36
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17559
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17559 - Pugs - Trac 09:37
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pmurias morning 09:39
masak pmurias: mornin'
moritz_: do you know what sunnavy++ meant by "out of scope name"? 09:40
I understand that they are taken
but what exactly does "out of scope" connote here?
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moritz_ I don't know either 09:51
masak ok. I'll just treat them as forbidden
but I was a bit confused by the choice of words
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moritz_ ?eval 'if {'; say $! 09:53
pugsbot_r17185 OUTPUT[␤] Bool::True
moritz_ #pugs ?eval 'if {'; say $@
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[*** ␤ Unexpected "@"␤ expecting "::"␤ at /tmp/VJzctjqJlR line 1, column 20␤]
moritz_ which variable holds eval() errors in p6? 09:54
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pugs_svnbot r17560 | moritz++ | t/statements/unless.t: no else and elsif allowed in unless 10:01
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17560
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17560 - Pugs - Trac
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pugs_svnbot r17561 | ruoso++ | [kp6] (a flight delay never been so productive) new tests and several steps towards kp6 bootstrap 10:16
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17561
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17561 - Pugs - Trac
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pmurias ruoso: hi 10:20
pugs_svnbot r17562 | masak++ | [src/Pugs/Eval.hs] 10:22
r17562 | masak++ | * forbade a few more namespaces
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17562
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17562 - Pugs - Trac
masak moritz_: you were right, it wasn't overly difficult 10:23
I had to battle the Haskell layout a little, that's all
ruoso pmurias, hi 10:25
pmurias, did you see the last changeset in the commit I made? 10:27
we (me and flavio) had a productive flight delay 10:28
the problem we were working on the hackathon is now solved
and some other nasty bugs too
pmurias yes, i have seen the changeset 10:30
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pmurias haircut& 10:40
masak heh, writing Haskell is still a bit scary 10:49
I don't feel like an equal to GHC, as I do to perl or javac
moritz_ I don't even feel equal to perl 10:50
masak moritz_: why not?
moritz_ I don't understand most of typeglob magic for example
but I know enough Perl to achieve what I want most of the time
masak not sure I do either
with ghc, my ignorance is more in my face
all the time
my main question is "will the type checker like this?" 10:51
moritz_ aye
btw pugs still allows 'else' and 'elsif' blocks to 'unless'
masak I'm already on it :) 10:52
moritz_ that might be another thing that is not too hard to fix
ok ;)
timbunce Hi. I'm trying to build pugs for the first time in ages and need a little help.
Does it work with ghc-6.6.1? (I had problems with it: Module `Control.Monad.RWS' does not export `MonadIO(..)')
Which others have encountered bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427315
So now I'm trying ghc-6.6. But that's giving me a different problem (related to hsc2hs)
Which ghc would be best for me to work with?
lambdabot Title: #427315 - pugs: FTBFS: Module `Control.Monad.RWS&#39; does not export `MonadIO(. ...
moritz_ ghc-6.6.1 is minimal requirement
masak timbunce: I'm using 6.6.1
timbunce So what's the cause/fix for that Control.Monad.RWS' does not export `MonadIO problem? 10:53
moritz_ I haven't encountered it yet
I patched debian/* a bit and I usually build debian packages without problems 10:54
on etch+self-backported ghc 6.6.1
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timbunce Perhaps it's because I'm using pugs rev 14410, which was the last I fetched. Is the current head reasonably stable? 10:55
moritz_ good question
depends on your notion of "reasonable" ;) 10:56
timbunce :) 10:57
Reasonable relative to the last release? Reasonable to work with the pugs->perl5 interface?
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timbunce Or perhaps just reasonable as in not broken. 10:58
moritz_ timbunce: I don't use the pugs->perl5 bridge very much, so I can't tell - sorry
timbunce I just need some sense of whether an 'svn update' right now will cause me more pain than gain. 10:59
I've not been following along
I've no sense of current actvity
moritz_ if you have ghc 6.6.1 it should't cause more pain
timbunce Thanks! 11:00
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masak ok, thinking out loud here 11:05
Parser.hs seems to be the file I should change
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masak it contains grammar stuff 11:06
if and unless are treated very similarly
which makes it a bit harder to distinguish them
I guess I could reshape the whole grammar to distinguish them 11:07
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masak but I'm not sure I want that right now 11:07
instead, I want to detect the combination of an "unless" symbol and an "else" symbol" and fail on that 11:08
(oh, and "elsif" too)
seems that right now I'm not succeeding because I don't know enought about the parser and about matching in Haskell 11:16
moritz_ lunch etc. & 11:17
masak: good luck ;)
masak moritz_: danke :) 11:19
pugs_svnbot r17563 | ruoso++ | [kp6/t/kp6/grammar/03] new failing test. token compilation. 11:22
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17563
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17563 - Pugs - Trac
pugs_svnbot r17564 | ruoso++ | [kp6] a new test, now isolated what is broken. 11:28
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17564
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17564 - Pugs - Trac
masak src/Pugs/Parser.hs is a great read, btw 11:30
no worse than EBNF
timbunce r16464 built fine with ghc 6.6.1. Thanks.
masak timbunce: great 11:31
timbunce make -n install shows it wants to install into my perl installation, but the INSTALL file said "Do not set PREFIX to your Perl 5 installation dir, as that would overwrite some of the files there with their Pugs counterparts", so I'm puzzled. 11:32
I'm happy not to install if pugs is happy to work from the build dir.
masak it usually is 11:33
timbunce ok, thanks
masak and I agree that you should not set PREFIX to your Perl 5 installation 11:34
that sounds very dangerous for your Perl 5 installation
timbunce I didn't set PREFIX at all. Maybe that's the problem.
masak perhaps
usually I just go "make install" 11:35
but it's been a while, since I don't use pugs for production work right now
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timbunce Do you usually set PREFIX? 11:35
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pugs_svnbot r17565 | ruoso++ | [kp6] fixed a bug in Token. t/kp6/grammar/04 now passes. 03 still fails 11:41
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17565
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17565 - Pugs - Trac
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masak timbunce: no, I've never done that 11:48
timbunce ok
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pugs_svnbot r17566 | ruoso++ | [kp6] going a little further... now testing backtracking. 11:50
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17566
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17566 - Pugs - Trac 11:51
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timbunce Should the pugs perl5:DBI example on wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugs#Perl_5_compatibility) still work? 11:53
I get an error:
*** Odd number of elements found where hash expected: VV 0x020933a4
at dbi.pl line 16, column 5-48
masak hm 11:57
timbunce: would you care to verify the error?
i.e. look at that place in the source code to see if it looks wrong 11:58
masak is doing other coding right now
timbunce I copy-n-pasted it. The line is trivial: say "Just another $res<Audrey><Project> hacker";
how can I pretty-print $res? 11:59
masak all of it?
maybe `$res.perl.say` 12:00
timbunce Says: 0x02093398
not good
masak raises eyebrows
that's strange
pmurias renormalist: hi 12:01
timbunce Can you point me to some tools that would help me dig deeper? 12:02
Like tracing pugs execution.
and where in the source code the perl5 glue is implemented 12:03
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pmurias ruoso: it's not really backtracking 12:03
renormalist: did you get by messages? 12:05
ruoso pmurias, take a look at tests 03 and 04 inside grammar 12:06
pugs_svnbot r17567 | ruoso++ | trying to catch <before asdf> and <!before asdf> 12:09
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17567
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17567 - Pugs - Trac
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fglock hi 12:09
lambdabot fglock: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
fglock renormalist: Num looks fine :) 12:10
ruoso fglock, hi
pmurias fglock: hi
ruoso fglock, take a look at teste 03 and 04 from grammar 12:11
fglock ok
ruoso I'm trying to catch the <before \d> 12:12
which doesn't seems to be implemented...
just saw it
but it isn't working... 12:13
wait 12:15
it works ;)
it was mistyping
all tests pass again 12:16
pugs_svnbot r17568 | ruoso++ | [kp6] "before" assertion tests now pass
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17568
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17568 - Pugs - Trac
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pugs_svnbot r17569 | fglock++ | [kp6] added 'make test_grammar' option 12:18
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17569
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17569 - Pugs - Trac
DarkWolf84 :continue modifer don't work :( in pugs
fglock run_tests.pl needs some fixing - it doesn't work with the 'section' option
i'm trying to understand it
ruoso fglock, hmm 12:20
probably my fault
in the commit I made
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ruoso i had a conflict in that file 12:20
fglock, fixed 12:22
pugs_svnbot r17570 | ruoso++ | [kp6] fixing bad conflict resolution
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17570
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17570 - Pugs - Trac
ruoso fglock, better now 12:23
pugs_svnbot r17571 | ruoso++ | [kp6] $section works again in run_tests
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17571
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17571 - Pugs - Trac
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pmurias all test pass here ;) 12:25
* tests
fglock ruoso: thanks 12:27
ruoso pmurias, not anymore... ;)
pugs_svnbot r17572 | ruoso++ | [kp6] new failing test... code inside rule
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17572
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17572 - Pugs - Trac
renormalist re 12:29
lambdabot renormalist: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
pugs_svnbot r17573 | pmurias++ | [kp6] run_tests --section=foo dosn't run TESTS 12:30
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17573
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17573 - Pugs - Trac
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ruoso hmmm... somebody forgot to add something :) 12:31
pmurias fixing
i forgot i had that modification in my working copy ;) 12:32
pugs_svnbot r17574 | pmurias++ | kp6: added files i didn't commit last time
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17574
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17574 - Pugs - Trac
renormalist pmurias: ok, I got your msgs. 12:34
fglock brb & buy food & 12:35
renormalist pmurias: The build problems seemed like as the the generated runtime under lib5 seems to be used also during compile time.
pmurias: can this be possible?
pmurias it is it the sad reality 12:36
renormalist pmurias: and is this wanted?
pmurias: or is it a bug?
pmurias it's a feature but i'm thinking how to make it work differently 12:37
renormalist pmurias: I didn't find the spot where it is included. Can you say me a file/line or where an accorind -Ilib5 appears. Then I might understand that better. 12:38
fglock mp6 allowed you to build to another place, test it and then copy to lib5
pmurias renormalist: looking 12:39
fglock renormalist: kp6-perl5.pl has a 'use lib' that makes the -Ilib5 thing
pmurias renormalist: kp6 has to load the compiled p6 files to have them accesible in BEGIN blocks 12:41
it's done from MOP.pm included in term from Runtime.pm
ruoso lunch & 12:42
renormalist fglock: ah, I now see the use lib lib5 12:43
pmurias: Ok, so I think what I did in MOP to dynamicall require the available runtime classes only fixes the immediate problem of not beeing able to load MOP to compile again. 12:44
pmurias: maybe it would be better to have some kind of a "make revert_to_ok_state" to re-initialize once things went wrong 12:45
pmurias: I sometimes used svn revert of the lib5 subdir, but it didn't work for my newly created classes. and was annoying anyway. 12:46
timbunce Does kp6 support "use perl5:DBI;", or something similar? 12:47
pmurias renormalist: you think rightly
timbunce: it does
use DBI:from<perl5>
see examples/sdl
timbunce how does it compare with pugs?
(for the perl5 interface, I mean) 12:48
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pmurias the kp6 version only handles oo oriented modules right know 12:49
timbunce I want to access the perl5 JDBC module and extend java2perl6 to automatically create the glue between the two, so the perl6 will have a working (albeit slow) JDBC API. 12:51
pmurias i see
i haven't used the pugs api at all, and only tested the kp6 one with SDL after writing, so i don't know how to compare them 12:52
*writing it
timbunce I need to choose to work with pugs or kp6.
Since pugs is failing to run even the demo code on the wikipedia page I guess I'll give kp6 a whirl...
pmurias the API should be enough if you can get past kp6 limitations 12:53
s/API/p5 interface/ 12:54
i can extend it if you need anything in particular
timbunce Thanks. is there some handy doc or presentation to get me started with kp6?
masak timbunce: if you ask me, it's fairly serious that the wikipedia demo code doesn't run. I thank you for bringing this to our attention, and I hope to be able to look into it shortly 12:55
timbunce May just be a local problem. Can you reproduce it? 12:56
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masak timbunce: could you nopaste the code?
lumi Untested, uncompiled, I don't have head here
pmurias timbunce: the t show whats working in kp6
look at examples/sdl for how the p5 bridge works
timbunce masak: what's nopaste 12:57
masak @nopaste
lambdabot Haskell pastebin: hpaste.org/new
masak oops, not that
lambdabot Title: sial.org Pastebot - pasteling
lumi masak: I don't see why it wouldn't work, your one...
masak that's the one
lumi: it did
but thanks for you clarification
lumi It did work? I must've missed it then 12:58
masak I arrived at a very similar one just a few moments ago
lumi: well, moritz_++'s tests were written wrong
lumi Oh, right
masak I'm about to commit a correction
pmurias timbunce: run kp6 code with ./kp6
masak I've had an hour of interesting frustration followed by insight 12:59
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pugs_svnbot r17575 | renormalist++ | - [kp6] fixed wrong "defined" in srand implementation
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17575
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17575 - Pugs - Trac
timbunce that code fails for me. It reports:
*** Odd number of elements found where hash expected: VV 0x020934c4
at dbi.pl line 18, column 5-48
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pugs_svnbot r17576 | masak++ | [t/statements/unless.t] 13:02
r17576 | masak++ | * replaced dies_ok( sub { eval q[ ...] } ) by eval_dies_ok( q [ ... ] )
r17576 | masak++ | * removed :todo<pugs> in expectation of next commit
r17576 | masak++ | which fulfills the tests
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17576
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17576 - Pugs - Trac
masak compiles Parser.hs with lumi++'s suggestion incorporated 13:03
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timbunce A pugs make test has just finished. Are these results reasonable: 13:05
(78 subtests UNEXPECTEDLY SUCCEEDED) (1915 subtests TODO), 540 subtests skipped.
Failed 114/685 test scripts, 83.36% okay. 710/16448 subtests failed, 95.68% okay.
pmurias they are resonable 13:07
pugs_svnbot r17577 | masak++ | [src/Pugs/Parser.hs]
r17577 | masak++ | * disallowed "else" and "elsif" after "unless"
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17577
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17577 - Pugs - Trac
pmurias pugs generaly has failing test
masak now it has two less :) 13:08
timbunce pmurias: thanks. I'll look into the failing t/perl5/* tests when I get some time.
renormalist moritz_: which command does the kp6 eval bot call? also kp6-perl5.pl? 13:09
#kp6 say 23; 13:10
exp_evalbot r17577: OUTPUT[23␤]
renormalist #pugs say 23;
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[23␤]
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pmurias #eval say 23 13:11
exp_evalbot kp6: OUTPUT[23␤]
..pugs: OUTPUT[23␤]
..p6: OUTPUT[23␤]
..nqp: OUTPUT[Statement not terminated properly at line 1, near "23"␤current instr.: 'parrot;PGE::Util;die' pc 123 (runtime/parrot/library/PGE/Util.pir:83)␤called from Sub 'parrot;NQP::Grammar;statement_list' pc 3535 (src/Grammar_gen.pir:1272)␤called from Sub 'parrot;NQP::Grammar;TOP' pc 498
..(src/Grammar_gen.pir:100)␤called from Sub 'parrot;PCT::HLLCompiler;p...]
pmurias wow, nqp the eval bot 13:12
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timbunce This fails for me: echo 'class X { use DBI:from<perl5>; }' | perl kp6-perl5.pl 13:21
Can't call method "emit" without a package or object reference at kp6-perl5.pl line 254, <> line 1.
what am I doing wrong?
renormalist timbunce: did you "make" before that? 13:22
timbunce renormalist: make where? I did a make in the pugs tree. Do I need to do another somewhere else? 13:23
pugs_svnbot r17578 | dakkar++ | restructured the layout, now it's a proper module (still lacks documentation, and the semantics have to be changed)
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17578
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17578 - Pugs - Trac
renormalist timbunce: cd v6/v6-KindaPerl6 ; make # it's an autonomous subproject
timbunce renormalist: I don't see any makefile there 13:24
make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
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renormalist you are in pugs project trunk? It should be there: svn.pugscode.org/pugs/v6/v6-KindaPerl6/ 13:26
timbunce $ svn info
Path: .
URL: svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/v6/v6-KindaPerl6
Repository Root: svn.openfoundry.org/pugs
Repository UUID: 12242aa7-dc21-0410-817b-c41c31cd50c7
Revision: 16464
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timbunce svn mirror problem? 13:26
renormalist yes, we are on 17578 13:27
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timbunce I'll bin this tree and fetch from pugscode.org. Thanks. 13:27
renormalist k, np
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pugs_svnbot r17579 | renormalist++ | - [kp6] sourced out the security stuff into an own class 13:36
r17579 | renormalist++ | (but still with env variable)
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17579
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17579 - Pugs - Trac
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pugs_svnbot r17580 | renormalist++ | [kp6] dedicated tests for map 13:54
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17580
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17580 - Pugs - Trac
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pmurias looked into Rule::Block, not sure what to do 13:57
p6 -> ast -> p6 -> ast -> p5 seems stupid to me 13:59
masak is the opposite of '~~', the match operator, '!~~'? 14:03
renormalist masak: I think so 14:04
masak pugs seems to, too
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masak I'm currently sifting through the tests, looking for modules that use unless { ... } else { ... } 14:05
renormalist pmurias: do we have some kind of eval or similar to catch a die? I would like to use that in a test, but don't know how.
pmurias looking 14:06
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pmurias renormalist: don't think so 14:06
renormalist mkay
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pmurias you could add the semantics easily 14:07
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pmurias with a p5 land sub which uses 'eval {}' and passing p6 subroutines to it 14:08
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renormalist pmurias: hmm, not sure I understand, with p5 land you mean in Runtime/Perl5/...? 14:11