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This channel is intended for people just starting with the Raku Programming Language (raku.org). Logs are available at irclogs.raku.org/raku-beginner/live.html Set by lizmat on 8 June 2022. |
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| antononcube | Google's Gemini gives (immediately) good results for "raku LLMs": | 13:59 | |
| cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/768...4a0e0& | |||
| Not that great on "raku number theory" -- results are too generic. | 14:01 | ||
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| librasteve | i use ChatGPT a fair bit, but find that it often mixes perl / python code and hallucinates ... what is your preferred LLM for raku code support? | 15:29 | |
| antononcube | Both ChatGPT and Gemini work well with the prompt "CodeWriterX". | 15:36 | |
| I have the corresponding LLM-persona specified / initialized in my Raku-chatbook initialization files. | 15:37 | ||
| That is equivalent to have the magic cell: #% chat raku prompt, model=gpt-4o, max-tokens=4096 @CodeWriterX|Raku | 15:39 | ||
| And then using that persona like so: #% chat raku Give an example of application of a list regexes for a given string and print out the corresponding results. | 15:42 | ||
| YMMV, of course. But it that prompt / persona produces very good results when it comes to translations from other languages, short examples of usage queries, or very long/complicated queries. | 15:44 | ||
| librasteve | thanks! | 16:02 | |
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| msiism | I'm going thorugh the Course of Raku and have noticed something about the solutions for execises provided in there. | 18:21 | |
| It seems that, most of the time, these solutions show the most "pragmatic" way to solve a problem in Raku and I wonder whether that is the best idea. | 18:22 | ||
| Here's an example: course.raku.org/essentials/associa.../solution/ | |||
| Personally, I would go for an if-else inside the loop because that is more "transparent" and universal. | 18:24 | ||
| I'd say that this would also be more appropriate for an introduction to the language. | 18:26 | ||
| The best would probably be to provide a "generic"/"stupid" but correct solution and then also show Raku's shortcut to that solution. | 18:28 | ||
| A few years of shell scripting have taught me that writing out an actual structure instead of using operator-based one-liners to keep things short is often better in the long run. | 18:31 | ||
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| lizmat | msiism: are you referring to the use of // ? | 19:45 | |
| msiism | Yes. | 19:52 | |
| lizmat | that is a *very* common idiom in Raku. as well as Perl | 19:54 | |
| it basically is the same as || but for the left-hand side check on definedness, rather than truthiness | 19:55 | ||
| msiism | Yeah, that's handy, for sure. | ||
| lizmat | and as it's a course in Raku, not general programming techniques, it feels to me that it's pragmatic to show that syntax :-) | ||
| msiism | Yeah, it should defintiely be shown. Maybe this is just a case of personal preference then. I'll have to look at other examples again. | 19:56 | |
| lizmat | perhaps it could use some explanation that foo // bar is basically short for: foo.defined ?? foo !! bar | ||
| msiism | Yeah, that would be nice. | 19:57 | |
| lizmat | just as || is short for foo.Bool ?? foo !! bar | ||
| msiism | I just realized that I tend to solve most of the exercises in less clever way than the author and then it keep that way. :) | 20:00 | |
| s/it keep/keep it/ | 20:01 | ||
| lizmat | that's ok :-) | 20:28 | |
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