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travis-ci Rakudo build errored. Elizabeth Mattijsen 'Use faster nqp::istype instead of ~~' 00:30
travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/642135948 github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/3...916efa5277
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[Coke] that looks like an ubuntu repo error, not a rakudo error 00:43
kicked the job 00:44
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AlexDaniel hmm nice 07:21
btrfs balance just segfaulted
these are probably my last words, lol 07:22
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AlexDaniel it boots! \o/ 07:26
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lizmat Files=1301, Tests=109809, 210 wallclock secs (28.74 usr 8.11 sys + 2938.73 cusr 274.20 csys = 3249.78 CPU) 08:30
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Geth rakudo: dumarchie++ created pull request #3446:
Decontainerize arguments in eqv between Seqs
09:10
roast: dumarchie++ created pull request #615:
Cover eqv between Seqs
09:13
roast: 0eb8c19a1a | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-supply/first.t
Add tests for Supply.first() without positional argument
09:17
rakudo: 57dbc35887 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.c/Supply-factories.pm6
Make sure Supply/first without matcher also works
sena_kun lizmat++ 09:26
lizmat I was hoping I wouldn't have to do this now, under stress :-(
sena_kun sorry for all the issues with this release. I am keeping notes to make the process of the next one easier. :S 09:27
lizmat what was the invocation again to search for a string in the ecosystem ? 09:29
sena_kun greppable6: help
greppable6 sena_kun, Like this: greppable6: password # See wiki for more examples: github.com/perl6/whateverable/wiki/Greppable
sena_kun lizmat: ^
lizmat greppable6: nqp::getcomp 09:30
greppable6 lizmat, 8 lines, 7 modules: gist.github.com/2c2d5a6ca2a8e4d30c...d76a18f6e3
sena_kun lizmat: I can prepare PRs to these modules 09:31
lizmat cool, basically nqp::getcomp("Raku") // nqp::getcomp("perl6") 09:32
I'll do the jupyter kernel one 09:33
sena_kun lizmat: PRs are ready 09:39
lizmat sena_kun++
sena_kun lizmat: do we by chance have other devs to look into System::Passwd this Monday's morning? 09:40
lizmat oddly enough, System::Passwd appears to be fixed for me now
perhaps it was also a Supply.first issue
AlexDaniel linkable6: uptime 09:41
linkable6 AlexDaniel, 21 hours, 57 minutes, and 26 seconds, 283.503906MiB maxrss. This is Rakudo version 2019.07.1-94-gd1f9d2848 built on MoarVM version 2019.07.1-50-gb614a7b4d implementing Perl 6.d.
lizmat and Sys::Lastlog cannot build on MacOS :-(
sena_kun >This module is not compatible with the operating system void
okay
lizmat "[Sys::Lastlog] This currently does not work on darwin"
sena_kun let's see blin logs, maybe it was wrongly bisected... 09:42
seems like it
This module is not compatible with the operating system debian
hmm 09:44
lizmat sena_kun: have to be afk for a few hours&
sena_kun lizmat: sure, take care
I think we can ask jonathanstove about these
bisectable6: say $*KERNEL.Str 09:50
bisectable6 sena_kun, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=57dbc35) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
sena_kun, bisect log: gist.github.com/b26339855c3a50cb42...c283178dd7
sena_kun, (2020-01-22) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/aa...485bd811cc
sena_kun bisectable6: say $*DISTRO.Str; 10:06
bisectable6 sena_kun, On both starting points (old=2015.12 new=57dbc35) the exit code is 0 and the output is identical as well
sena_kun, Output on both points: «debian␤»
sena_kun sourceable6: $*KERNEL.Str 10:07
sourceable6 sena_kun, github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/57db...ic.pm6#L13
sena_kun m: say $*KERNEL.name 10:08
camelia linux
sena_kun so .name gives correct result (github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast....pm6#L61), github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/57db...ic.pm6#L13 returns $!name, but somehow it is not initialized at start 10:10
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|Tux| Rakudo version 2019.11-537-g57dbc3588 - MoarVM version 2020.01.1
csv-ip5xs0.681 - 0.690
csv-ip5xs-205.809 - 5.999
csv-parser22.515 - 23.819
csv-test-xs-200.365 - 0.369
test7.277 - 7.469
test-t1.728 - 1.869
test-t --race0.804 - 0.807
test-t-2030.125 - 30.391
test-t-20 --race8.371 - 8.539
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lizmat sena_kun: looking at $*KERNEL.Str breakage 11:32
sena_kun: have a fix, stresstesting it 11:36
sena_kun lizmat: roger, right after picking I'll do a dry run of releasing to see if we're safe this time for sure 11:41
Geth rakudo: 1299e324c6 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.c/Systemic.pm6
Allow clients to define their own "name" / "version" logic

This fixes $*KERNEL.Str strangeness.
11:42
lizmat sena_kun: ^^
sena_kun lizmat++
Geth rakudo/release-2020.01-dry: 10 commits pushed by Altai-man++, (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++
review: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/3...d240a32acc
11:43
roast: 6316e3b0b5 | (Peter du Marchie van Voorthuysen)++ | S03-operators/eqv.t
Cover eqv between Seqs
11:50
roast: f51d720aa8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | S03-operators/eqv.t
Merge pull request #615 from dumarchie/eqv

Cover eqv between Seqs
rakudo: 76187b57c5 | (Peter du Marchie van Voorthuysen)++ | src/core.c/Seq.pm6
Decontainerize arguments in eqv between Seqs

Different containers holding the same Seq have equal value.
11:51
rakudo: 5d65764a21 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | src/core.c/Seq.pm6
Merge pull request #3446 from dumarchie/eqv

Decontainerize arguments in eqv between Seqs
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lizmat notable6: weekly 14:51
notable6 lizmat, 3 notes: gist.github.com/3de2c0a0d27f395178...3bdb87c2dd
lizmat notable6: weekly reset
notable6 lizmat, Moved existing notes to “weekly_2020-01-27T14:51:34Z”
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lizmat and another Rakudo Weekly News hits the Net: rakudoweekly.blog/2020/01/27/2020-...pringtime/ 16:08
sjn yay! 16:13
lizmat++
sena_kun lizmat++ # a great weekly 16:16
rba lizmat++ 16:18
tellable6 hey rba, you have a message: gist.github.com/f5e716291aa7a5a0d7...a12f567cb5
rba sena_kun: Sure. I can help. 16:22
sena_kun \o/ 16:23
rba sena_kun: The server blin is installed on it runs in Konrads (one of the swiss Perl/Raku conference organisers.) 16:24
sena_kun: Let me know what I can help.
timotimo what does AWS give us? 16:28
[Coke] timotimo: was going to ask if there was a page somewhere showing (our very nice) vendors. 16:29
rba .tell patrickb Please ping me back, as I'm unable to get github.com/Raku/rakubrew.org running. 16:30
tellable6 rba, I'll pass your message to patrickb
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patrickb rba: pong 17:19
tellable6 2020-01-27T16:30:13Z #raku-dev <rba> patrickb Please ping me back, as I'm unable to get github.com/Raku/rakubrew.org running.
rba patrickb: My container is not working. 17:20
patrickb rba: Is it starting up? 17:21
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rba On my mac localy it works. 17:23
Yes it starts. In the container. 17:24
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rba Goal is to run it on RancherOS. 17:25
patrickb How does it error? http 500? 17:26
rba No error. But not able to connect to localhost:10000 17:27
patrickb is there any log output of the container? 17:28
nine lizmat: should probably read "Atikon who have" for correct grammar
lizmat nine++ # fixed 17:29
rba patrickb: Need to check again. Give me an hour. Sitting in a full train. 17:30
patrickb rba: OK. I'm currently trying it out locally...
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patrickb rba: I have a suspicion. Could you try with `export RAKUBREW_ORG_HOST=0.0.0.0` instead of localhost 18:14
rba: I think the thing listens to localhost *inside* the container, which is pretty much useless. 18:15
With that change it works fine on my local machine.
rba patrickb: Did you rebuild the container? 18:29
patrickb: I will reboot my machine first. 18:30
patrickb I pushed a change to the repo that makes it default to 0.0.0.0. But you can just do the export and it should work with a non-rebuilt container as well. 18:32
patrickb is away for 20 minutes or so 18:39
rba: Please keep me updated!
rba patrickb: I seem to have a problem with my Macbook. Will take while. Will check your changes as soon as I’m able to.
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sena_kun is BUILDPLAN helper library internal? 19:18
rba patrickb: Yes. Running fine localy.
sena_kun doesn't seem so to me, so documenting it...
rba patrickb: Pushing here: github.com/Raku/rakubrew.org/packages/114517 19:19
patrickb: Ok running fine as well on RancherOS. 19:23
lizmat sena_kun: it's not internal, but it *is* Rakudo specific 19:24
patrickb rba: Great! Thanks for your effort!
sena_kun lizmat: ok, I am not documenting it in changelog as user-facing then 19:25
rba patrickb: Temporary only: 167.99.148.229:10000/
patrickb: Need to put nginx or traefik in front with https. 19:26
patrickb: Not sure how/if we should separate the releases from the docker container. 19:27
patrickb: We may just build a new container when the content changes. 19:28
patrickb: And then I will make sure the new container is pulled and restarted automatically.
patrickb: What do you think?
Geth rakudo/release-2020.01: 5 commits pushed by (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++, Altai-man++ 19:39
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[Coke] I'm all for static containers that get swapped out rather than touching guts of a running one 20:01
rba <| 20:11
<[Coke]>: You're braces confuse the autoextension of my irc client. 20:12
[Coke]: Yet I think I'm with you. Then it might be easier to automate the update. 20:13
rba is afk 20:17
patrickb rba: The -v option to docker/podman binds in an external directory that should contain the release files. No need to change anything about the container when doing a release. Just drop in a new folder in the bound directory and it should be recognized. 20:20
Theoretically we could include the releases in the container, but that feels rather odd and is more work to maintain... 20:22
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rba patrickb: Yet on the run-host site it‘s easier to automate. Just need to check if container got updated. And the build of the container can be automated based on the commit on the repository. 20:25
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[Coke] rba (braces) Someone has my standard nick reserved. 20:28
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Geth rakudo: 25c84b3ab8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 3 files
Simplify leap second updating logic

Replace the Perl based "update-tai-utc.pl" script with a simple Raku script called "add-leap-second.raku" that will take the date for which a leap second should be added, and an optional source- file to read. This source-file will then be searched for markers and the new leap second will be added at the appropriate place. ... (21 more lines)
20:30
rba [Coke]: If it‘s not actively used you might as one of the freenode admins if the free it for you. 20:34
[Coke] At this point it's been like 10 years. :) 20:35
I don't care enough to inconvenience whoever it is.
rba [Coke]: Ask mst?
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Geth rakudo: bdb00749fd | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | tools/add-leap-second.raku
Fix shebang and better feedback on fail
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Geth rakudo: 5ac792acfd | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | tools/util/perlcritic.conf
Remove 11 year old perlcritic configuration file

Added in 2009, remained unchanged since addition. I don't think we need this anymore.
20:46
patrickb rba: But the releases are not part of the rakubrew.org repository. They are built from the App-Rakubrew repository via CircleCI and (at least at the moment) need a small bit of manual work. 20:53
rba: Also, when having the release files only inside of the container there needs to be a store of all the past releases somewhere else so we don't have to rebuild all releases on each new release... 20:58
rba patrickb: So might automate the deployment of the release files too, but seperately. 21:00
patrickb yes
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Geth rakudo: 8fdce7561b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | lib/BUILDPLAN.rakumod
Add support for "use BUILDPLAN class"

Because generally you want to just see the BUILDPLAN of a speficic class, and doing:
   $ raku -e 'use BUILDPLAN; note BUILDPLAN Instant'
   class Instant BUILDPLAN:
... (9 more lines)
21:07
nqp: 6d935a8dcf | Altai-man++ | tools/templates/MOAR_REVISION
[release] Bump MoarVM revision to 2020.01.1
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nqp: fb8b8f6fdd | Altai-man++ | VERSION
[release] Bump VERSION to 2020.01
rakudo/release-2020.01: b88abd261d | Altai-man++ | tools/templates/NQP_REVISION
[release] Bump NQP revision to 2020.01
rakudo/release-2020.01: abae9bb4a6 | Altai-man++ | VERSION
[release] Bump VERSION to 2020.01
MasterDuke ++ to lizmat who pretty recently passed jnthn to become the top contributor to rakudo by number of commits 21:30
sena_kun Agreed, lizmat does incredible amounts of work. Hopefully she finds enough time to rest and keep burnout away. 21:32
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sena_kun rba: are you still around? 21:34
rba sena_kun: Yes sir :-) 21:35
sena_kun rba: I am running `scp nqp/nqp-2020.01.tar.gz [email@hidden.address] and nothing happens, at the previous attempt I got `ssh: connect to host rakudo.org port 22: Network is unreachable` 21:36
how can I help to help with this? :)
AlexDaniel most probably your key is not there 21:40
sena_kun: this one is yours? github.com/Altai-man.keys 21:41
sena_kun AlexDaniel: yes
AlexDaniel rba: ↑
or, hm… 21:42
sena_kun vaguely remembers the keys being delivered there, but not really sure
AlexDaniel I also can't get to that machine
sena_kun s/not really/not 100%/
AlexDaniel sena_kun: oh shit 21:43
sena_kun hmmm?
rypervenche The port isn't listening, it sems.
AlexDaniel sena_kun: can you comment out line 137 in the sakefile?
rba s/@rakudo.org:/@lavm-perl6infra-1.atikon.io:/
AlexDaniel sena_kun: the one with nqp-upload rakudo-upload
sena_kun AlexDaniel: `rakudo done`? eeeh?
AlexDaniel sorry, 136 21:44
sena_kun AlexDaniel: nqp-upload rakudo-upload? what it'll give me?
rba sena_kun: rakudo.org points to the ip of cloudflare. l avm-perl6infra-1.atikon.io is the hostname of the webhost.
AlexDaniel sena_kun: hold on, actually I think it succeeded and you don't need to do anything
sena_kun: it probably failed trying to upload stuff but we don't do that anymore… sorta 21:45
sena_kun: at least I didn't do it for the last release
because, yes, I have it deleted and I didn't commit that change :D
sena_kun well, it failed anyway
rba AlexDaniel: For rakudo releases patrickb has renevated the rakudo.org site.
AlexDaniel sena_kun: it didn't really fail, it pushed everything and stuff
it just didn't upload tars but we kinda stopped doing that, we need to start doing it again but for now don't worry 21:46
rakudo-done is just a message saying you're done :)
sena_kun well, I read that, I mean, yes-yes, the pushes are ok, but I still do need to upload tarballs, right?
that's what I am going to do using the correct host? 21:47
AlexDaniel sena_kun: yeah you can do that but in my book congrats for getting your first release done \o/
sena_kun++
rba: so where should we upload the tars now, remind us? :) 21:48
sena_kun >ssh: connect to host lavm-perl6infra-1.atikon.io port 22: Network is unreachable
patrickb o/ 'night everyone! 21:49
sena_kun o/
patrickb sena_kun++ # Release!!
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rba sena_kun: please try: scp nqp/nqp-2020.01.tar.gz rakudo.org@lavm-perl6infra-1.atiko...loads/nqp/ 21:50
sena_kun still has to upload tarballs, update releases page a couple of times, update wiki page 21:51
rba: the same result. :(
MasterDuke rakudo hasn't had the final version bump yet, right?
sena_kun it did
the branch is not merged yet though
MasterDuke ah, ok
sena_kun I think we can merge it though
AlexDaniel: I am assuming we can, can't we? 21:52
AlexDaniel sena_kun: yeah, you decide which direction you merge it
rba sena_kun: please try: scp -p 2222 nqp/nqp-2020.01.tar.gz rakudo.org@lavm-perl6infra-1.atiko...loads/nqp/ 21:53
AlexDaniel sena_kun: I used to merge master into the release branch because in my opinion that makes more sense when you look at git log and stuff
Geth rakudo/master: 8 commits pushed by (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++, Altai-man++
AlexDaniel but if it's just 8 commits I guess it doesn't really matter :)
sena_kun rba: sorry to disappoint, but... no luck. :S
rba sena_kun: Grr. Ok. Will start reading logs. Sorry for letting you do try-and-error. 21:54
sena_kun no problem, that's quick for me here...
sena_kun proceeds to the github-release.p6 script 21:55
rba sena_kun: please try: scp -P 2222 nqp/nqp-2020.01.tar.gz rakudo.org@lavm-perl6infra-1.atiko...loads/nqp/ 21:58
sena_kun yay 21:59
it worked out. \o/
now have to do the same thing with rakudo one... 22:00
rba sena_kun: uppercase -P
sena_kun rba: can you check if the uploads look ok? 22:02
MasterDuke lizmat: now that the rakudo release has happened, i'd like to get my libtommath v1.2.0 moarvm pr merged soon. we'd chatted about changing the expmod roast tests and making some more specific error messages in the moarvm function 22:03
rba sena_kun: checking...
MasterDuke however, i have some questions about that. you mentioned including the bad value in the message (which i agree would be good, i love adding context to error messages). but we're talking about possibly big integers 22:04
should i only include the value if it's actually a small int, or go though the potentially expensive process of turning a big int into a string 22:05
AlexDaniel MasterDuke: what about something like this? github.com/Raku/whateverable/blob/...m6#L30-L32
this can come in handy for other error messages too 22:06
MasterDuke also, there are a bunch of other moarvm big integer functions that now can throw exceptions, not just expmod (expmod only got the extra attention because the bad tests actually triggered the new exception) 22:07
AlexDaniel it's very simple but the behavior is extremely nice, in my opinion. For anything that's not too long it just prints it fully, but for anything really long it gives a very short string with “…”
MasterDuke should i do the same work for all of them?
and if so, should it be part of the initial pr? or a second follow-on one
AlexDaniel MasterDuke: I'd prefer to merge it sooner so that it's more tested 22:08
MasterDuke AlexDaniel: that could help, but there would still be the non-zero cost of determining how big the string would be
AlexDaniel MasterDuke: don't they have some kind of quick checks in libtommath? 22:09
like the number of bits or whatever
rba sena_kun: Files are here. Where can I find the public key for the signature?
AlexDaniel it'd be a rough estimate but maybe that's good enough
MasterDuke not in 1.2.0. some have been added or are in the process of being added
AlexDaniel sure, then it won't be a nice function that can be used for other non-int exceptions… but still 22:10
MasterDuke i think the bits is a really dramatic difference. i.e., a small change in the number of bits can result in a really large size increase. so the threshold using bits might have to be lower than we'd want
but i'm not 100% sure 22:11
AlexDaniel MasterDuke: but mp_count_bits was there like since the beginning? 22:12
the implementation looks fast to me 22:13
MasterDuke fwiw, i also vote for merging the pr pretty much as is after changing the roast tests and then doing cleanup after
it might be good enough, sure 22:14
AlexDaniel oh but then we can't stringify partially, right? 22:15
so it'd have to stringify it fully anyway even if you don't print it 22:16
MasterDuke correct, not now/yet
some of the stringification work that's happened/happening since v1.2.0 might make a fast partial stringification possible, don't remember
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AlexDaniel MasterDuke: I also see mp_radix_size 22:17
MasterDuke right now it's really really slow
sena_kun ok, github release is done, wiki article is updated, tarballs are updated 22:18
MasterDuke sena_kun++
AlexDaniel sena_kun: upload moarvm releases to github too 22:19
sena_kun AlexDaniel: "github release is done", no? :) 22:20
github.com/perl6/nqp/releases and github.com/rakudo/rakudo/releases
AlexDaniel sena_kun: but github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/releases
it's kinda not your job but you have the script and access :)
sena_kun AlexDaniel: this one is bad, because I don't have assets. :S I thought about that, but decided to leave it as is.
AlexDaniel: yeah, but I don't have access. :S
ouch 22:21
*assets
rba sena_kun: Do you know where the public gpg is for the signature files?
AlexDaniel sena_kun: moarvm.org/releases/
sena_kun oh, with this it'll work out...
thanks for all the guidance and help! 22:22
AlexDaniel thanks for doing it :)
you did great, btw
sena_kun well, except for making some wrong assumptions at the beginning which made the process much more troublesome for lizmat++ which I am sorry about 22:23
AlexDaniel robertle: oh, by the way
robertle: what do I do to tell you that the signature for nqp and rakudo releases changed?
sena_kun .oO ( other than that goblins are much more troublesome than releasing compilers ) 22:24
AlexDaniel sena_kun: you need to upload your key to pgp.mit.edu/ 22:25
your public key of course :)
rba found sena_kun's key on github.com/Altai-man.gpg 22:27
AlexDaniel OH THEY FINALLY DID IT
used to be you had to look through the api api.github.com/users/Altai-man/gpg_keys
sena_kun >Key block added to key server database. New public keys added: 22:28
rba uploading makes sense, so packager can verify the signature too.
sena_kun moarvm releases are updated 22:32
AlexDaniel sena_kun: nice! email?
rba sena_kun: was so free to add nqp-2020.01.tar.gz.asc 22:33
sena_kun AlexDaniel: erm, email, eeee. how is this called again.
rba all signatures look fine.
AlexDaniel yep I checked too, looks fine
sena_kun d'oh, I didn't update that. :S sorry...
nqp's .asc, I mean
AlexDaniel sena_kun: here's a funny detail. If you sign your mail, then it'll show up like this: www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6...18340.html 22:34
that is, without body
if you don't, then, well, your mail is unsigned 22:35
feel free to do whatever, we can't win in this case anyway :D
sena_kun AlexDaniel: right now I know that I don't know a thing about how to do release announcement.
and guide says nothing about that. :S
AlexDaniel sena_kun: remember the announce file, right?
sena_kun: this one: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...2020.01.md 22:36
sena_kun yes
AlexDaniel you copy paste it as your message
with the first line going into your subject instead
it's number 20 in the release guide 22:37
sena_kun AlexDaniel: am I sending raw markdown version or? 22:38
AlexDaniel sena_kun: I don't know
sena_kun: I think I used to send it as plaintext
or as htmlfied plaintext
lizmat sena_kun: you did great!
AlexDaniel also, you're free to change the title to “Announcement:” :D
lizmat don't let my grumpiness on Monday morning distract from that :-) 22:39
sena_kun let's go with markdown raw one then...
AlexDaniel that's something both Zoffix and I wanted to change, but didn't :D
rba is feeling the party time is comming...
AlexDaniel lizmat: yeah, that's pretty cool
lizmat: and it feels like the bus factor got a bit better too :) 22:40
squashable6: next
squashable6 AlexDaniel, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 4 days and ≈5 hours (2020-02-02 UTC-12⌁UTC+20). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
lizmat indeed.. bus++
sena_kun lizmat: just have to do something with a feeling I torture people because of choosing a wrong commit as a release one
AlexDaniel sena_kun: I'd say you'd be torturing people one way or another 22:41
sena_kun I am sending a plain email (no signing) to [email@hidden.address]
MasterDuke sena_kun: remember we torture the implementors *on behalf of the user*, not just for fun
AlexDaniel MasterDuke: speak for yourself :D 22:42
rba AlexDaniel: Just curious, where is this release checklist?
MasterDuke also speaks for the trees
AlexDaniel rba: one is here github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast..._guide.pod
rba: there are separate files in MoarVM and NQP, and in Star too 22:43
MasterDuke but not the dead
AlexDaniel rba: and if it feels like some of these actions can be automated, then you're right, they are indeed! github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...e/Sakefile
rba AlexDaniel: Where is this feed rakudo.org/news comming from? 22:44
rba: Guess here: github.com/perl6/rakudo.org/tree/master/post 22:45
AlexDaniel yeah, looks so 22:46
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AlexDaniel can I move that repo btw? 22:46
AlexDaniel moves
ah wait
I don't know *where* to move it
that's why it's not moved
jnthn: thoughts?
rba Yes you can, I just need to ajust it on the webhost.
rba scratches the back of his head 22:47
AlexDaniel jnthn: currently it's MoarVM/moarvm.org vs perl6/rakudo.org
I'd say in Raku org more people will be able to work on it, but uh… I don't know
rba AlexDaniel: Give me a shout before you hit the move button...
AlexDaniel I hate separate orgs with passion anyway so don't take my opinion seriously :) 22:48
lizmat $ raku -v
This is Rakudo version 2020.01-14-g0d530092f built on MoarVM version 2020.01.1
implementing Perl 6.d.
whee!
AlexDaniel rba: well, not like it's going to break or something
rba AlexDaniel: It might break the cron-sheduled auto-update. This is simple to fix. 22:49
AlexDaniel yeah, it's a good idea to change links
but it's not strictly necessary
lizmat: what should we do about the squashathon? 22:50
lizmat well, this weekend is *also* FOSDEM
AlexDaniel lizmat: does it mean it's good or does it mean it's bad? :) 22:51
lizmat on Friday afternoon Wendy and I will br bringing stuff to Brussels
on Sat I'll be doing other stuff
and on Sun we'll be at FOSDEM again
so don't expect much from me
also: jmerelo will also be at FOSDEM, and he has more travel time than we do 22:52
AlexDaniel ok, so we move it to the next week?
lizmat I guess some other potential squashathonners will also be at FOSDEM
AlexDaniel lizmat: the idea was to work on RT tickets
lizmat yeah, and then I can announce it in the RWN
RT tickets? do we still haz them? :-) 22:53
but yeah, sounds like a good idea
AlexDaniel which is a simple and potentially fun task, but maybe it's not attractive enough to be inviting people on fosdem and stuff
lizmat yeah... for people knowing what Raku is about, yes... 22:54
for noobs, not so much
AlexDaniel squashable6: status 22:55
squashable6 AlexDaniel, Next SQUASHathon in 10 days and ≈5 hours (2020-02-08 UTC-12⌁UTC+20). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
lizmat so, is it ok to tweet about github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...2020.01.md ?
AlexDaniel lizmat: yeah 22:57
23:00 sena_kun joined
sena_kun phew 23:00
stupid disconnections...
lizmat: yes, I already twitted.
www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.compiler/ is not updated (well, almost) immediately, is that normal? 23:01
lizmat yeah, it may take a few hours, in my experience 23:02
sena_kun ok 23:03
and I must go to bed in 15 minutes, IT for some teeth brushing for me now. :)
lizmat good night! sena_kun++ 23:06
rypervenche Do the downloads on rakudo.org/downloads need to be updated manually? 23:16