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Erik43 download unavailable? rakudo.org/latest/star/macos 404's 04:43
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rba Please download the latest available star release from rakudo.org/downloads/star 05:10
tellable6 2020-05-21T21:15:43Z #raku <melezhik> rba I successfully tested ssh/http tunneling, it's funny stuff to learn )))
2020-05-25T15:10:39Z #raku <melezhik> rba , please ping me when you are here, thanks
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Geth doc: 40a753a9b7 | (Luis F. Uceta)++ | doc/Language/control.pod6
Minor rewording with few examples
doc: a2a3ec78fe | (Luis F. Uceta)++ | doc/Language/control.pod6
Make changes as requested
doc: 73d7182c56 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/control.pod6
Merge pull request #3429 from uzluisf/master

Minor rewording with few examples Thanks a lot!
linkable6 Link: docs.raku.org/language/control
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Geth doc: a07587818a | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/regexes.pod6
Clarify what can be used as an argument to nth, refs #2632
linkable6 Link: docs.raku.org/language/regexes
DOC#2632 [open]: github.com/Raku/doc/issues/2632 [Hacktoberfest][RFE][big][docs][good first issue][help wanted][new][⚠ Top Priority ⚠] Checklist for 6.d
JJMerelo Flappers in the doc tests are back... travis-ci.com/github/Raku/doc/builds/168169665 (they never really went away) 08:42
MasterDuke `Use of uninitialized value $repo-id` what is that `$repo-id` supposed to have? if it's talking about the git repo, github has had a lot of connectivity problems recently 08:44
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gfldex lolibloggedalittle: gfldex.wordpress.com/2020/05/26/wa...-arrivals/ 09:45
Prince213 Hello. Can I read formatted input in Raku?
Also, how to use vararg functions from NativeCall? 09:46
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Prince213 (If it's possible to do that) 09:47
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tbrowder Prince123: hi, i'm not sure what you are asking for. do you mean accessing pod internally? if so, yes. 10:16
tellable6 tbrowder, I'll pass your message to Prince213
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Prince213 For the first one, I'm asking if we have a function (like scanf in C) to read formatted input? 10:19
tellable6 2020-05-26T10:16:02Z #raku <tbrowder> Prince123: hi, i'm not sure what you are asking for. do you mean accessing pod internally? if so, yes.
Prince213 For the second one, I'm asking if we have a way to use functions like scanf. 10:20
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tbrowder oh, good question, i'm not sure, but i don't think so. does Perl? 10:22
use case? you may have to roll your own. 10:24
jnthn Prince213: For varargs there's not a really good way, but you can write out the cases you need (e.g. write signatures with the args) 10:25
*with the args you want to pass
Prince213 I'm writing a binding for PDCurses, and some functions (printw for example) are vararg function 10:26
This is the prototype: `int printw(const char* fmt, ...);` 10:27
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tbrowder i vaguely remember using scanf in c progs long ago, but i can't remember why i needed them, sorry. lot's of c experts here, though. 10:27
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Prince213 tbrowder: FYI, scanf is used to read something from stdin($*IN). Anyway thanks. 10:35
jnthn Prince213: Typically in Raku one would either use coercions on what is read, or regex matching for more advanced things. 10:38
tbrowder is yr code publicly avail?
tadzik Prince213: regexes are probably closest to what you need 10:40
(and probably won't cause buffer overflows that scanf() traditionally does :P)
Prince213 Hmm... I'm just making a binding. 10:41
Will publish my code when I prepared the ecosystem-related things(README etc.). 10:42
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Geth ¦ problem-solving: Prince213 assigned to jnthn Issue Calling vararg functions from NativeCall github.com/Raku/problem-solving/issues/201 11:21
cpan-raku New module released to CPAN! Console::Blackjack (1.0.5) by 03GDONALD 11:23
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robertle does anyone know how to get the current location within a grammar/action? to do error erporting? 13:16
jnthn self.pos 13:18
vrurg robertle: there is no way to get the line number.You'd have to do it on your own, unfortunately.
jnthn Or $/.from or $/.to in the action
ShimmerFairy A long while back I wrote a Grammar::Parsefail module (not sure if it's in the ecosystem, but should be under my same-named account on github).
jnthn And yeah, those are char offsets
ShimmerFairy Fair warning, last I used it myself, the positioning of the eject symbol in the error messages was frequently off (probably because I last touched the code when Cursor still existed). 13:19
And if experimental features are OK, I happened to spot that Grammar in the prospective v6.e has nicer error messages for parse failures. 13:20
MasterDuke robertle: lineposof maybe? 13:27
hm, maybe it's linefileof 13:28
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robertle I tried $/.from and .to, but that didn't give me meaningful results. will try again, perhaps I was just stupid 13:36
ShimmerFairy robertle: you can call .from and .to on specific parts of the match, like $<identifier>.from, if that helps. 13:37
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robertle I was a bit stupid, ok. so that way I get a character offset of the failure which I need to translate into a line number, that should be ok 13:38
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uzl[m] Hello, #raku! When documenting some newly introduced routine, is there some guideline about where it's placed in the documentation alongside the type's other routines? Alphabetically? Right at the end of the type's Methods section? 15:17
expon i personally just whack some comments above it with #| but i don't know if that's recommended 15:19
tadzik that's the way to do it, yes
see design.raku.org/S26.html 15:20
[Coke] uzl[m]: unless it's already divided into sections, alphabetica
tadzik design.raku.org/S26.html#Declarator_blocks has some examples 15:21
[Coke] if it's in sections, someone can help you figure out which section. Thanks!
uzl[m] tadzik: Thanks. Although I'm more concerned with the placement. 15:23
[Coke] uzl[m]: ... oh, you mean in code, not in, say, submitting a PR to the doc site. :) 15:24
apologies, I misread.
uzl[m] [Coke]: Is it some historical blunder that some routines aren't in alphabetical order? For instance, in docs.raku.org/type/Date#Methods
[Coke] tadzik++
uzl[m]: There isn't any guidance on it, I don't think. (and having the "new" method first makes a lot of sense) 15:25
uzl[m] Oh, no. I do really mean submitting a PR to the doc repo. Sorry for the confusion.
tadzik uzl[m]: well, typically you document every routine right next to that routine
uzl[m] [Coke]: Ok.
[Coke] also, many of these pages are dynamically generated from other segments, so re-ordering can be hard.
tadzik ooh, the doc repo
[Coke] tadzik--, then!
tadzik sorry, I misunderstood
uzl[m] No problem, tadzik! 15:26
Thanks, Coke and tadzik!
[Coke] uzl[m]: better it gets documented, we can worry about ordering things as a universal concern separately.
uzl[m] Haha!
That makes sense!
[Coke] uzl[m]: but that page looks like a good example to start with.
[Coke] wonders why Dateish has an .IO method. :P 15:28
timotimo why wouldn't you have a folder with files or folders that are named exactly like dates? 15:30
also, i imagine that also uses the formatter method? 15:31
m: Date.now.IO.raku.say
camelia No such method 'now' for invocant of type 'Date'. Did you mean any of these?

in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo m: DateTime.now.IO.raku.say
camelia IO::Path.new("2020-05-26T17:31:20.283554+02:00", :SPEC(IO::Spec::Unix), :CWD("/home/camelia"))
dakkar m: now.IO.raku.say
camelia IO::Path.new("Instant:1590507127.572433", :SPEC(IO::Spec::Unix), :CWD("/home/camelia"))
dakkar `now` is a term, not a metho
timotimo m: DateTime.now(:formatter(*.raku)}.IO.raku.say
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unable to parse expression in argument list; couldn't find final ')' (corresponding starter was at line 1)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3DateTime.now(:formatter(*.raku)7⏏...raku.say
timotimo m: DateTime.now(:formatter(*.raku)).IO.raku.say
camelia IO::Path.new("DateTime.new(2020,5,26,17,31,45.37471604347229,:timezone(7200))", :SPEC(IO::Spec::Unix), :CWD("/home/camelia"))
timotimo a fine filename choice
m: say (1+4i).IO.raku 15:32
camelia IO::Path.new("1+4i", :SPEC(IO::Spec::Unix), :CWD("/home/camelia"))
timotimo [Coke]: how do you feel about this one? :) :)
Altai-man_ m: (1+4i).^mro.say;
camelia ((Complex) (Cool) (Any) (Mu))
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Altai-man_ m: Cool.IO.say; 15:32
camelia (Path)
dakkar I once started building a document-management system that used templated filenames. Meaning that I had files called `[% title %]-[% date %].txt` 15:33
Altai-man_ timotimo, that's probably ^
timotimo yeah
m: say { :1a, :2b, :3c }.IO.raku
camelia IO::Path.new("a\t1\nb\t2\nc\t3", :SPEC(IO::Spec::Unix), :CWD("/home/camelia"))
timotimo now here's one that doesn't make very much sense
tabs in filenames *shudder* 15:34
dakkar sometimes I think that too many classes are Cool…
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ShimmerFairy I personally like to start my filenames with a little RIGHT-TO-LEFT OVERRIDE 15:37
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melezhik Raku modules authors! rakudist.raku.org/ allows to test Raku module distribution against multiple Raku versions (2015.12 ... 2020.05.01) in one click 15:41
I'd appreciate feedback, as the service is in beta testing stage
so far debian/ubuntu OS are available to test against, but I could add more OS if required 15:42
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[Coke] huh. Why am I installing a script with such a short name and with a .p6 suffix? I should clean that up 15:47
melezhik one can select multiple version of Rakudo and run in one bunch ... it could be useful for authors who cares about their modules running on older versions of Rakudo
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[Coke] melezhik: thought I ran one for multiple versions, but it seems to have only run a single version 15:50
melezhik @Coke it's multiselect html form 15:51
[Coke] melezhik: guess it was user error.
melezhik @Coke, what do you mean?
[Coke] I think the issue is that the form doesn't remember the multiselect when you submit, so I did it, submitted, had a mistake, lost the multiselect, then re-submitted.
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[Coke] (which is not what I meant by user error, I think I figured out how I lost the multi-select) 15:51
melezhik yeah, you're right, it does not memorized previous input for versions 15:52
yeah, anyway, now you know you still can run multiple versions, correct? )))
[Coke] otherwise, seems fine, my dumb module working on last few versions.
melezhik yeah, I see the queue has got some your requests - rakudist.raku.org/sparky/queue 15:53
feel free to post an issues and suggestion to RakuDist GitHub )))
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melezhik there is also API, so one can trigger builds from GitHub/Gitlab/Whatever CI 15:55
need to go
[Coke] melezhik++
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jdv79 m: class A { has $.a ="abc" }; class B is A { has $.a = 123 }; B.new.raku.say; 16:23
camelia B.new(a => 123, a => "abc")
jdv79 why are both there?
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jnthn Because there are two separate attributes. Alas, this is not going to roundtrip. 16:29
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dakkar what's the correct way to change an attribute default in a subclass? 16:30
(or an attribute's type, to a narrower one) 16:31
JJMerelo dakkar you can either change it in BUILD, or in TWEAK, or in the declaration of an attribute 16:32
dakkar but see above, jdv79's example 16:33
ShimmerFairy For an attribute's default value, BUILD or TWEAK like JJMerelo (but only if it's publicly rewritable).
[Coke] m: class A { has $.a ="abc" }; class B is A { has $.a = 123 }; B.new.a.say
camelia 123
[Coke] ^^ it's still defaulting to the right value.
dakkar sure, until something in A uses $!a
ShimmerFairy For narrowing a type, you should maybe consider doing a parameterized role instead of ising a parent class. 16:34
That's why class code should generally use $.a unless it REALLY needs to use its own attribute :)
dakkar ok, so the answer is "the Rakku MOP does not implement this"
(too many 'k'…) 16:35
ShimmerFairy again, if class A's attribute is public and "is rw" then you can set it in B's BUILD() or TWEAK(). 16:36
dakkar sure, but that's not what I asked
it is a work-around that may be used in some cases
ShimmerFairy I mean, through BUILD/TWEAK you are effectively changing the default when it comes to that subclass. 16:38
dakkar but only for rw attributes
and the new default is not introspectible via the MOP
oh joy, the default value of an attribute is not in the MOP at all, is it? 16:40
ShimmerFairy I did a quick check, and it looks like in Raku, default values only exist within the bowels of QAST. 16:41
So maaaaaybe it'll be accessible when RakuAST is a thing?
dakkar that's the wrong place for it
the Attribute class has a $!build_closure attribute, which I think is the thing that gets called to provide the default value 16:42
jnthn Yes, that's called to produce the default, and passed self and the attribute to initalize 16:43
(Which is how `has Type $.foo .= new` works)
dakkar it's very private
jnthn It's exposed as just .build iirc
dakkar oh, so it is 16:44
jnthn _closure is a bit of an internal detail
dakkar I couldn't see it in Attribute.^methods
ShimmerFairy I find .^methods.map(*.name) is the most reliable way of seeing every method's name
dakkar I agree, that's what I do 16:45
m: Attribute.^methods.map: *.name
camelia ( no output )
dakkar m: say for Attribute.^methods.map: *.name
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unsupported use of bare "say"; in Raku please use .say if you meant to call it as a method on $_, or use an explicit invocant or argument, or use &say to refer to the function as a noun
at <tmp>:1
dakkar m: .say for Attribute.^methods.map: *.name
camelia <anon>
dakkar m: .say for Attribute.^methods.map(*.name).grep(/build/) 16:46
camelia ( no output )
dakkar (I know that lots of the bootstrapped bits need lots of love and care…)
anyway… I don't actually need that functionality, I was curious to see what the MOP does and what it doesn't 16:47
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jdv79 i was surprised by it 17:14
but ok
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[Coke] m: Attribute.^method[0] 17:31
camelia No such method 'method' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW'. Did you mean 'methods'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
[Coke] m: Attribute.^methods[0]
camelia ( no output )
[Coke] m: Attribute.^method[0].gist
camelia No such method 'method' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW'. Did you mean 'methods'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
[Coke] m: Attribute.^methods[0].gist
camelia ( no output )
[Coke] m: Attribute.^methods[0].gist.say
camelia The 'ForeignCode' class is a Rakudo-specific
implementation detail and has no serviceable parts inside
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[Coke] nʞɐᴚ 17:34
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antoniogamiz how can I overload a function to detect that no arguments have been used to call the function? 17:56
JJMerelo uzl[m] good one 17:58
antoniogamiz use slurpy, for instance *@args
[Coke] make it a multi and have one variant that takes no args? 18:00
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antoniogamiz none of the solutions work 18:01
the function is already a multi, inside a package definition
jnthn m: multi f() { say "no args" }; multi f($a) { say "one arg" }; multi f(*@a) { say "many args" }; f(); f(1); f(1, 2, 3); 18:03
camelia no args
one arg
many args
antoniogamiz mm 18:04
then there must be something else not working 18:05
jdv79 m: my %h; %h{$_}="" for reverse 1..5; %h.raku.say 18:06
camelia {"1" => "", "2" => "", "3" => "", "4" => "", "5" => ""}
jdv79 are hash keys ordered?
dd, .raku, .gist - all show them ordered from what i can tell 18:07
at least .keys isn't 18:08
Grinnz cry.nu/perl6/secure-hashing-for-moarvm/
jdv79 wonder why the typical "look at it" methods imply ordering
antoniogamiz I have recreated my problem here => gist.github.com/antoniogamiz/e6e6d...145dcbdd9f 18:09
MasterDuke jdv79: TimToady made that decision a while ago
jdv79 i imagine for dev ergonomics. odd that would be the case and there still isn't a core "pretty print" dumping method 18:11
MasterDuke dd is pretty core, even if not officially so
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jdv79 looks like no newlines or indentation to me 18:12
anyway, ok. thanks.
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Geth doc: uzluisf++ created pull request #3434:
Document few additions introduced with 2020.05
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Xliff \o 18:52
If I do "role B {}; class C {}; my $c = C.new; $c = $c but B"; is there a way I can get a piece of code to automatically fire on that last line? 18:53
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Xliff So I guess the question is: Is there a way to automatically run code when punning a role on an object? 18:54
moritz "but B" is mixin more than punning a role
Xliff Good point.
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MasterDuke Xliff: i think there's a COMPOSE phaser or something like that 18:55
ISTR SmokeMachine having a similar question at one point
Xliff MasterDuke: Hmmm...that might work!
moritz so, one way is to cheat and define your own infix:<but>
Xliff moritz: Heh! 18:56
moritz the other is: infix:<but> calls obj.clone.^mixin($role).BUILD_LEAST_DERIVED({});
MasterDuke maybe it's just code in the mainline of the role?
Xliff m: role B { }; class C { COMPOSE { say "HI!" } }; my $c = C.new; $c = $c but B;
camelia ( no output )
MasterDuke (that gets executed at each mixin)
Xliff m: role B { }; class C { COMPOSE { say "HI!" } }; my $c = C.new; $c = $c but B;
camelia ( no output )
moritz so you could hook into the MOP and override ^.mixin
Xliff Eesh. 18:57
MasterDuke m: role B { say "HI!" }; class C { }; my $c = C.new; $c = $c but B;
camelia HI!
Xliff Was hoping there would be something like TWEAK but only for role mixin.
MasterDuke: Yeah, but the role needs access to self. 18:58
m: role B { self.hi }; class C { method hi { say "HI!" }; }; my $c = C.new; $c = $c but B;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
'self' used where no object is available
at <tmp>:1
------> 3role B {7⏏5 self.hi }; class C { method hi { say "H
expecting any of:
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MasterDuke m: role B { ::?CLASS.hi }; class C { method hi { say "hi" } }; my $c = C.new; $c = $c but B; 19:02
camelia hi
Xliff m: role B { ::?CLASS.hi }; class C { method hi { say "hi" } }; my $c = C.new; 19:03
camelia ( no output )
Xliff Ooh! That might work.
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Xliff MasterDuke++ # Thanks! 19:10
MasterDuke np 19:11
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lucs Any idea approximately how many tests in roast? 20:54
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sena_kun lucs, Files=1306, Tests=111304 21:13
So about 111_000 tests, I guess.
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lucs Heh. I just told someone it had over 100,000 tests (pulled the number from you know where). 21:17
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lucs I thought I was exagerating a bit. 21:17
sena_kun You was close, though. :)
It's not really that far, I'd say.
jnthn sena_kun: Is that spectest or stresstest? 21:18
sena_kun jnthn, spectest, I think? I took the numbers from lizmat posts to raku-dev. Stresstest has more, I think? 21:19
lucs sena_kun: Yeah, I was lucky :) I'm glad I didn't happen to inflate the number.
jnthn Yes, so that's an underestimate :)
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jdv79 what would !* mean? 22:02
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camelia ()
jdv79 m: (1,2,3).grep(*).say
camelia (1 2 3)
jdv79 is that what it looks like?
oh, nm. 22:04
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camelia (0 1 2 3)
(1 2 3)
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