🦋 Welcome to Raku! raku.org/ | evalbot usage: 'p6: say 3;' or /msg camelia p6: ... | irclog: colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/raku
Set by ChanServ on 14 October 2019.
00:25 leont left 00:54 Altai-man_ joined 00:56 sena_kun left 01:11 oddp left, Sgeo_ left 01:21 cpan-raku left 01:26 cpan-raku joined, cpan-raku left, cpan-raku joined, molaf left 01:38 molaf joined 01:39 Sgeo joined 01:54 Cabanossi left 02:02 Cabanossi joined 02:13 AlexDani` joined 02:15 AlexDaniel left 02:27 Cabanossi left 02:28 vrurg left 02:29 vrurg joined 02:31 Cabanossi joined 02:32 vrurg_ joined 02:33 vrurg left 02:45 dataangel left 02:55 sena_kun joined 02:56 Altai-man_ left 02:58 wamba joined, dataangel joined 03:23 kst left 03:36 Sgeo_ joined 03:37 vrurg_ is now known as vrurg 03:39 Sgeo left 03:40 __jrjsmrtn__ joined 03:42 _jrjsmrtn left 03:44 zacts joined 04:00 stoned75 left 04:02 stoned75 joined 04:27 MilkmanDan left 04:29 MilkmanDan joined 04:39 OpenZen left 04:52 rbt left, rbt joined 04:53 softmoth__ left 04:54 Altai-man_ joined 04:56 sena_kun left 04:59 zacts left 05:03 wamba left 05:10 wamba joined 05:22 xinming_ left 05:23 xinming_ joined 05:24 kensanata joined 05:28 aborazmeh joined, aborazmeh left, aborazmeh joined 05:40 rindolf joined 05:57 kensanata left 06:01 kensanata joined 06:13 zacts joined 06:17 skids joined 06:27 brtastic joined 06:28 skids left 06:36 brtastic1 joined 06:39 molaf left 06:46 sten_ joined 06:47 kensanata left 06:55 sena_kun joined 06:57 Altai-man_ left 07:08 brtastic1 left
Geth doc: 86948063ae | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/variables.pod6
Expands explanation of $?MODULE

And adds ::?MODULE, which apparently contains the same. This refers to #2632, but I haven't found much about that "extended spec", other than it's in roast.
linkable6 Link: docs.raku.org/language/variables
DOC#2632 [open]: github.com/Raku/doc/issues/2632 [Hacktoberfest][RFE][big][docs][good first issue][help wanted][new][⚠ Top Priority ⚠] Checklist for 6.d
07:15 JJMerelo joined 07:32 JJMerelo left 07:36 Roamer` left, sten_ left, dakkar joined 07:41 aborazmeh left 07:47 fluca1978 joined
fluca1978 given that $_ is an int, why is this not working (@found is empty) @found.push: $_ if [+] $_.split( '', :skip-empty ) == $S; 07:49
while this is working as expected? my $sum = [+] $_.split( '', :skip-empty );
@found.push: $_ if $sum == $S;
07:50 leont joined
dakkar I'm not sure that `if` sets `$_` 07:51
especially postfix `if`
dakkar checks
m: say $_ if 3
camelia (Any) 07:52
dakkar m: if 3 -> $x { say $x }
camelia 3
dakkar m: if 3 { $^a.say } 07:53
camelia 3
dakkar $^a.say if 3
m: $^a.say if 3
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Cannot use placeholder parameter $^a outside of a sub or block
at <tmp>:1
------> 3$^a7⏏5.say if 3
dakkar fluca1978: does that help? 07:54
fluca1978 dakkar: thanks, but $_ is set into a loop, the code is for 10 .. 99 { @found.push: $_ if [+] $_.split( '', :skip-empty ) == 4; } 07:56
07:56 Sgeo_ left
dakkar ah! 07:57
it's a precedence issue 07:59
m: my @found; for 10 .. 99 { @found.push: $_ if ([+] $_.split( '', :skip-empty )) == 4; }; say @found
camelia [13 22 31 40]
dakkar the `==` was parsed tighter than the `[+]` 08:00
fluca1978 dakkar: shame on me! thanks 08:03
dakkar precedence is hard!
especially with as many operators and meta-operators as raku has 08:04
when in doubt, add parens 😜
08:05 rindolf left 08:08 sten_ joined 08:10 kensanata joined 08:13 sten_ left 08:19 neheist joined 08:29 pecastro joined, brtastic left 08:36 sarna joined 08:42 wamba left
sena_kun RFC: gist.github.com/Altai-man/b0d23ec5...37cddf3bc9 08:48
08:48 SpiceMan left 08:54 Altai-man_ joined 08:55 sten_ joined, rbt left, rbt joined 08:57 sena_kun left 09:00 sten_ left 09:05 zacts_pi joined 09:06 brtastic joined, Roamer` joined 09:08 zacts left 09:17 neheist left 09:29 kensanata left 09:35 oddp joined 09:36 andrzejku joined 09:37 fluca1978 left 09:39 rindolf joined 09:56 AlexDani` is now known as AlexDaniel, AlexDaniel left, AlexDaniel joined 10:07 skids joined 10:10 rbt left 10:11 rbt joined 10:13 skids left 10:40 brtastic left 10:47 thowe left 10:52 no-n joined 10:55 sena_kun joined 10:56 sten_ joined, patrickb joined 10:57 Altai-man_ left 11:00 sten_ left 11:05 brtastic joined 11:14 no-n left 11:16 sten_ joined 11:54 aborazmeh joined, aborazmeh left, aborazmeh joined 12:02 rindolf left 12:12 aborazmeh left
Geth ecosystem/JJ-patch-13: 02676d9e93 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Adds kazmath

In its very initial version.
ecosystem: JJ++ created pull request #507:
Adds kazmath
12:26 sten_ left
Geth ecosystem: 02676d9e93 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Adds kazmath

In its very initial version.
ecosystem: 6345d6ae9e | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Merge pull request #507 from Raku/JJ-patch-13

Adds kazmath
12:42 kensanata joined 12:54 Altai-man_ joined 12:56 sena_kun left 12:57 Altai-man_ is now known as sena_kun 13:03 soursBot joined 13:10 wamba joined 13:17 kensanata left 13:20 dataange` joined 13:21 dataangel left 13:26 mst left, mst joined, melezhik joined 13:27 soursBot left 13:30 mst left, mst joined, mst left, mst joined 13:31 greppable6 left 13:32 greppable6 joined
Geth whateverable: 46be6ed2f5 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 3 files
Turn `upload` into a sub

Lately everything was turned into subs because it's more useful this way.
13:32 greppable6 left 13:34 greppable6 joined 13:35 melezhik left, greppable6 left, greppable6 joined 13:36 greppable6 left 13:38 greppable6 joined 14:05 sarna left 14:06 kensanata joined 14:31 MasterDuke left 14:34 oddp left
Geth doc: 8d50bbd8f8 | Coke++ | doc/Language/variables.pod6
fix word variant
doc: 3ac4af0b1f | Coke++ | doc/Language/variables.pod6
prefer spaces after commas.
linkable6 Link: docs.raku.org/language/variables
14:36 mst left, mst joined
Geth whateverable: 99322b00a6 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | xt/lib/Testable.pm6
Use double quotes (oops)
14:37 soursBot joined, melezhik joined 14:42 molaf joined 14:51 JJMerelo joined, rindolf joined 14:52 MasterDuke joined, andrzejku left 14:54 Altai-man_ joined 14:55 zacts_pi left, zacts joined 14:56 patrickb left 14:57 sena_kun left 15:01 Sgeo joined
[Coke] JJMerelo: hi 15:03
.tell JJMerelo getting failures on xt/p6doc-blackbox.t again - wondering if we can sunset this now that we have the new repo with rakudoc.
tellable6 [Coke], I'll pass your message to JJMerelo
15:04 patrickb joined
JJMerelo [Coke] yes, we should. rakudoc is released, only it's not totally tested. Much better than the current state of p6doc anyway. 15:04
Please ping the corresponding issue, and I'll try to take care of this before the end of the week. 15:05
[Coke] haven't opened a ticket yet, will try to remember after $dayjob - thanks! 15:06
melezhik .tell JJMerelo I'd like to see some use cases / scenarios how you'd see these checks - github.com/Raku/ecosystem/issues/505 15:07
tellable6 melezhik, I'll pass your message to JJMerelo
JJMerelo Hi, melezhik 15:08
melezhik Hi!
JJMerelo I don't know if you have seen this github.com/niner/Inline-Python/blo...META6.json
I think it's the only example of a META6 that includes external requirements.
melezhik I have. I am asking about more higher level view , provided that we know _how_ to provide this data 15:09
JJMerelo It's barely documented, and I don't think it's actually used by zef. But I think that if we're going to deploy the specification throughout the ecosystem, it's what we should use. 15:10
melezhik say, all devs start diligently writing all external deps through Meta for theirs modules, then what?
JJMerelo Ah, OK 15:11
I guess write some humongous GitHub action to take care of it?
using your stuff?
melezhik GitHub action for what?
JJMerelo Carry out tests 15:12
in Raku/ecosystem, we don't do much more than that...
We check the META6.json, we download and run tests. Which fail if there's some external dependency...
melezhik so, you mean tests for community modules? what blin does?
JJMerelo Blink does it for releases; I'd want it for those uploaded for the ecosystem.
ideally, there should be some way also for those in CPAN, but that will have to run in an external infraestructure. 15:13
The principle is the same anyway.
lizmat and yet another Rakudo Weekly News hits the Net: rakudoweekly.blog/2020/06/15/2020-...proaching/ 15:14
JJMerelo retweets, likes, and so on.
melezhik jjatria rakudist now covers both CPAN and github modules BTW 15:17
15:17 soursBot left
melezhik so, the problem like I said, it's all makes a sense if people do provide info in Meta for external dependencies 15:17
JJMerelo melezhik that's great. Still, I'd like to be able to use it when someone uploads a new module, as an initial test. Right now we can't. So I guess using Meta for that is the standard way to go. 15:18
melezhik also like you said "I don't think it's actually used by zef" is also a question
do we want to utilize META6 to pass information which is not going to be consumed by zef ?
JJMerelo melezhik well, zef can't really know how to install all different kind of things.
melezhik the thing is, that's the spec, so we should use it. 15:19
melezhik yeah, I am not asking if it can, I am just highlighting that it seems to me, now META is primary domain of zef, is not it?
JJMerelo melezhik that we probably need something else, well, that's almost for sure.
melezhik not really. It's metadata for different things in the ecosystem. 15:20
it's read by the ecosystem when it's submitted for the first time, it's used for reverse and forward dependence analysis...
melezhik as for rakudist , like I said it uses Sparrow automation under the hood - github.com/melezhik/RakuDist/blob/...parrowfile 15:21
so it's not a big deal to this pieces of logic to this scenario
JJMerelo melezhik so what I was thinking about is to create a GitHub action that uses Sparrow to grab dependencies, as read from the META6.json 15:22
melezhik that gets an external deps information from whatever source and use it to install dependencies and finally run zef tests and report any errors
JJMerelo and then test.
OK, so tests are a given. So much better
melezhik GitHub action could call RakuDist API
github.com/melezhik/RakuDist/blob/...on-example 15:23
not necessarily run Sparrow scripts directly
though the last is also doable, but mean doing a whole new pieces of software
JJMerelo OK. But that's hosted somewhere, right? 15:24
melezhik yes!
as mentioned in the documentation - rakudist.raku.org/
JJMerelo OK. Whatever way you think is better, is fine for me. 15:26
15:26 oddp joined
melezhik well I mean we could try various options ... 15:26
JJMerelo Nothing is free, so I guess we'll have to work, but in the end, the ecosystem will be better.
melezhik what do you be "ecosystem will be better"?
be -> mean 15:27
JJMerelo Well, we will be able to install only those that have well-specified dependencies, and those will also be tested before being included in the ecosystem. 15:29
melezhik so it will work as a quality gate? only those that have valid META (with ext dependecies declared) and pass tests will be merged to eco system, is it what you mean? 15:30
15:32 brtastic left
JJMerelo melezhik well, that's what we do now with those without external dependencies. That would be good for starters. 15:33
But at the end, the real benefit would be the specification of external dependencies in a standard way
15:34 zacts left 15:36 andrzejku joined
Altai-man_ u: 15:48
AlexDaniel Altai-man_: that's a vertical tab I think 15:51
m: say 0x0B
camelia 11
AlexDaniel m: say 0x0B.uniname
camelia <control-000B>
Altai-man_ AlexDaniel, thanks, just wanted to make 100% sure I have the right character in my files.
AlexDaniel unicodable6: f
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, Found nothing!
AlexDaniel m: say 0x0B.chr 15:52
AlexDaniel e: say 0x0B.chr
AlexDaniel yeah that's the one
arguably evalable6 is a bit too smart with its transformations :)
15:54 soursBot joined 15:55 kensanata left 15:58 soursBot left 15:59 mst left, mst joined 16:04 andrzejku left 16:21 dataange` is now known as dataangel 16:22 dataangel left 16:23 dataangel joined 16:26 zacts joined 16:35 JJMerelo left 16:38 patrickb left 16:40 dakkar left 16:43 molaf left 16:51 clem16 left 16:53 melezhik left, MasterDuke left 16:55 sena_kun joined 16:57 helit joined, helit left, Altai-man_ left 17:01 helit joined, team\andinus is now known as thisisevenlonger, thisisevenlonger is now known as team\andinus, rbt left, team\andinus is now known as notandinus 17:02 rbt joined 17:14 skids joined 17:16 stoned75 left 17:18 stoned75 joined
oddp Thanks a lot, dear contributors, for providing interesting stuff in the RWN week after week! 17:43
17:44 JRaspass joined 17:57 melezhik joined
leont gfldex++ # the topic is the topic 18:07
18:08 molaf joined 18:14 mst left, mst joined 18:35 shlomif joined 18:36 rindolf left 18:37 shlomif is now known as rindolf 18:52 brtastic joined, MasterDuke joined 18:54 Altai-man_ joined 18:57 sena_kun left 19:20 melezhik left 19:37 lichtkind joined 19:43 kst joined 19:44 molaf left, pepe_70 left 19:49 zacts left 19:52 lichtkind left 19:56 soursBot joined 20:16 molaf joined 20:20 brtastic left 20:33 gordonfish left 20:34 gordonfish joined 20:40 mst left, stoned75 left, mst joined, kensanata joined 20:55 aborazmeh joined, aborazmeh left, aborazmeh joined, sena_kun joined 20:57 rindolf left, Altai-man_ left 21:00 dataangel left 21:01 soursBot left 21:03 lichtkind joined 21:04 rbt left 21:05 soursBot joined, rbt joined, dataangel joined 21:16 stoned75 joined 21:18 soursBot left
Geth whateverable/master: 4 commits pushed by (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ 21:23
whateverable: 4e8c4a4fea | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | xbin/Committable.p6
Pass ENV in committable (oops)

Surprisingly not caught by tests, but I believe some features would not work otherwise.
21:35 OpenZen joined 22:08 kensanata left 22:10 wamba left 22:15 stoned75 left 22:28 aborazmeh left 22:36 xelxebar left 22:38 xelxebar joined 22:54 Altai-man_ joined, pecastro left 22:57 sena_kun left 23:00 Black_Ribbon joined 23:07 JRaspass left 23:16 aborazmeh joined, aborazmeh left, aborazmeh joined 23:27 Cabanossi left 23:37 Cabanossi joined