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Set by lizmat on 25 August 2021.
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Xliff Hello! What would be involved with the smoketester project? 01:59
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vrurg .tell Xliff smoke testing was just an example. I'd be glad to hear somebody really started it. 03:38
tellable6 vrurg, I'll pass your message to Xliff
vrurg .tell Xliff BTW, if you still suffer from missing imported symbols, I know what the cause is and how to get around it until a proper fix is developed. 03:39
tellable6 vrurg, I'll pass your message to Xliff
japhb vrurg: Do tell? 03:41
vrurg japhb: pardon?
Xliff vrurg: Indeed 03:45
vrurg: I am a bit curious. How is "smoketest" different from Blin? 03:46
Would a web front-end on Blin be sufficent for the task?
vrurg A bit late today, I'm almost afk already. Remind me tomorrow. But basically, creating explicit to-level module and use it in every submodule should work.
Xliff And please, a workaround would be wonderful! 03:47
vrurg Xliff: as to smoke test, consider a distributed infrastructure for it.
Similar to what they have in perl.
Too late already, afk for late dinner.
Xliff I don't know what they have in Perl. Also, distributed infrastructures requires a decision on what handles the distribution. We'd need to spec that out. 03:48
vrurg: OK. See you tomorrow. Looking forward to it.
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japhb vrurg: Sorry, didn't see you had responded right off. I meant, could you share the missing imported symbols cause and workaround with all of us? I know I'm interested to hear the details. :-) 05:35
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Xliff is playing www.deezer.com/us/track/1406992982...oplay=true 12:03
sena_kun o/ 12:26
Can anyone with a docker setup help me confirm something please? I need `docker run -i -t rakudo-star:2021.04 /bin/bash` and then to see if `apt-get update` works. 12:27
El_Che running it 12:28
or ruining it
eye of the beholder thing
works 12:29
sena_kun geh
El_Che I use podman though
sena_kun it fails for both my machines somehow
El_Che dns?
sena_kun same for 2020.10
Temporary failure resolving 'deb.debian.org'
El_Che DNS allright 12:30
that's a host failure, probably
sena_kun Oh, it's the same for nginx image, then something is wrong with my two machines with completely different environments.
El_Che yeah 12:31
sena_kun It resolves nicely on the host of course, but not in containers.
El_Che DNS or bridge setup
try pinging
an ip
so you know if it's network or dns
sena_kun it pings the deb.debian.org IP well, same for ping 12:32
in /etc/resolv.conf I have `nameserver`, which is presumably host?
aye, that's router 12:33
El_Che search local 12:34
it puts the bride address and my network setup
are you claiming port 53 on one of your containers? 12:35
sena_kun No
My current idea is to overwrite resolve.conf to point to something working like and see if it helps. 12:36
El_Che that's a workaround and not a fix
sena_kun Well, I need to release Comma somehow. :P 12:37
El_Che, if you are curious to investigate, then please elaborate what do you mean by "search local"?
El_Che that's a paste of my resolv.conf
search local means it attaches .local to hosts
you can safely ignore it 12:38
sena_kun Ah, I thought it's something for me to do to get more details.
El_Che sena_kun: try --nds
run -ti --dns 12:39
if you need a less hacky workaround
I don't know your setup, maybe it's confused by the systemd resolvconf 12:40
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El_Che sena_kun: completely next to the point: have you tried podman? It does not need root, so it's great for developing 12:49
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ugexe i know it was yesterday but i had dns issues most of the day due to the facebook fiasco overloading most dns servers 12:53
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patrickb o/ 13:12
Just wanted to chime in. El_Che already said so, but unsure if the point came accross: `docker run -it --dns rakudo-star:2021.04 /bin/bash` might do the trick. 13:13
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Xliff I'm getting a lot of these error messages from a lot of different compunits: "Type check failed for return value; expected Seq:D but got Seq (Seq)" 14:37
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SmokeMachine I was having some problems on my personal computer with the new Mac OS beta that it was hanging every time I tried to use somethingā€¦ Raku runs, but if I `use Red` for example it hangs for everā€¦ zef was also hangingā€¦ it seemed to me a Mac permission problemā€¦ but I couldnā€™t see any message or something like thatā€¦ is anyone else having that issue? 15:01
Running that inside a container works 15:02
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ugexe might look at the output of RAKUDO_MODULE_DEBUG=1 and see if it appears stuck on something or if its stuck in a loop 15:32
SmokeMachine ugexe: I'll try it later, thanks! 15:44
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SmokeMachine ugexe: I tried, but I couldn't hold my self: usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/.../image.png 15:48
ugexe: and running `zen install App::Mi6` (this is just the end of the log) usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/.../image.png 15:49
ugexe: and running `zen install App::Mi6` (this is just the end of the log) usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/.../image.png 15:50
it seems to have loaded Zef::CLI (the beginning of the log): usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/.../image.png 15:51
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anyone with the same problem? 15:57
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dakkar not exactly 16:02
I just tried running `zef` on a recently-upgraded rakudo (first time I run anything after the upgrade), and it took ~20 seconds of full CPU 16:03
second run takes Ā½s
but that's "normal", as all the precomp needs re-doing
SmokeMachine I'll leave it running, but: usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/.../image.png 16:13
dakkar: ^^
dakkar: are you running on beta? 16:15
dakkar 2021.08
SmokeMachine usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/.../image.png
dakkar oh, sorry, not a mac
this is a gentoo linux 16:16
so whatever happens onmy machine is not useful to you
SmokeMachine hum... this started happening to me when I've updated to this beta
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SmokeMachine I'll stop this... I'm pretty sure it will never finish: usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/.../image.png 16:17
dakkar at this point I usually try `strace`, to see what files are being opened and what errors the system calls produce 16:22
but reading the output of strace takes some practice
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codesections If code inside a .tap throws an error, I get that error in exactly the way I'd expect: 16:45
m: my Supplier $s .= new; $s.Supply.tap: { say 42 / $_ }; $s.emit: 0;
camelia Attempt to divide by zero when coercing Rational to Str
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
codesections Is there some reason why I *don't* get that error if I run the same code in a .throttle block instead of .tap? 16:46
m: my Supplier $s .= new; $s.Supply.throttle: 1, { say 42 / $_ }; $s.emit: 0;
camelia ( no output )
codesections (This *feels* like it could be a buggy holdover from the pre-v6.d behavior of start, docs.raku.org/language/control#start but it's also possible that it isn't a bug/I'm missing a good reason for it to swallow those exceptions) 16:48
(or maybe the .throttle example should be the below (which also doesn't throw)) 16:55
m: my Supplier $s .= new; $s.Supply.throttle(1, { say 42 / $_ }).tap({.result}); $s.emit: 0
camelia ( no output )
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Geth Ā¦ examples: coke self-assigned Only first 100 Project Euler problems should have solutions github.com/Raku/examples/issues/79 18:30
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lizmat SPA: the Rakudo Weekly News is like the Deutsche Bahn: delayed (until tomorrow) 18:48
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Anton Antonov šŸ™‚ 19:32
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I apologize for this ignorant question: Are the new RakuAST functionalities available in the Raku version I will get if I use `rakubrew build moar-blead master` ? 20:19
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MasterDuke no, the work hasn't been completed yet so it's happening on the rakuast branch 20:20
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[Coke] I think you need the rakuast branch, and an env var, and I don't think it's been rebased since new-disp landed. 20:21
MasterDuke i'm not sure if you need the env var anymore
but i'm pretty sure it was rebased just today 20:22
[Coke] oh, nifty
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Anton Antonov Thank you MasterDuke and Coke. 20:42
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Guest12 Doc says "Trying to assign a value that does not fit into a particular native type, produces an exception". But... 21:19
raku: say my int32 $ = 1000000000000 21:20
evalable6 -727379968
Guest12 raku: say my int32 $ = 10000000000000000000000000000000000000
evalable6 (exit code 1) Cannot unbox 123 bit wide bigint into native integer
in block <unit> at /tmp/mh3jQvUPCH line 1
MasterDuke there are still some bugs and/or not yet implemented features in unsigned or smaller-than-64-bit natives 21:21
Guest12 bisectable: say (my int32 $ = 1000000000000) == -727379968 21:22
bisectable6 Guest12, Will bisect the whole range automagically because no endpoints were provided, hang tight
Guest12, Ā¦6c (58 commits): Ā«Trueā¤Ā»
Guest12, Nothing to bisect!
Guest12 MasterDuke: Thanks. Does it make sense for the docs to reflect (very long-standing and basic) bugs? 21:23
MasterDuke there's been debate about that. should they reflect the limitations of a particular implementation? or the intentions of the language? 21:24
Guest12 Ah. "NOTE: at the time of this writing (2018.05), certain implementations (such as Rakudo)
offer somewhat spotty details on native types, such as whether int64 is available 21:25
and is of 64-bit size on 32-bit machines, and how to detect when your program is running on such hardware."
MasterDuke yes. currently i would recommend only using the signed, 64-bit versions with rakudo, i believe those work fine 21:26
Guest12 I missed that note. (I searched for "bug" and "known")
MasterDuke: Thanks. Makes sense. 21:27
MasterDuke np
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