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Geth whateverable: 6b42fe9c6e | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | xbin/Shareable.p6
Expose full commit shas when sharing builds

Requested in github.com/melezhik/RakuDist/issue...-575938842		 02:04
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Geth doc: 0189217bdb | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/IO/Handle.pod6
Adapts definitions preparing for #2632
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doc: 655da16555 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/IO/Handle.pod6
Explain the sub form, which was omitted

Also preparing for #2632
doc: b56071b126 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/IO/Handle.pod6
Adds new defined behavior of lines on /proc files, refs #2632
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Geth doc: 2cdbfe2c64 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/IO/Handle.pod6
Rearranges examples in closes, rephrases and reindents.
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doc: 4bff6d5370 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/IO/Handle.pod6
Fixes compilation error.
tobs has somebody built the docs repo in recent times? I used to `make html-nohighlight` but that and htmlify don't exist anymore. Pod::Utilities and Documentable (taken from the README) are simply not found by zef. Does anyone have some advice? 09:46
moritz only meta advise: look into the README if there are any instructions, and if there either are none, or they don't work, open an issue in the docs repo 09:48
tobs Alright. (I was trying to *close* an issue though :-/) 09:50
moritz the Yaks need shaving, it seems 09:51
mojca So again: should I upgrade rakudo given these problems in tests, or should they be fixed first? paste.macports.org/03e2524f5433 09:59
Geth doc: taboege++ created pull request #3171:
Add NUL byte in NativeCall example		 10:08
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Geth doc: 6f9798b175 | (Tobias Boege)++ | doc/Language/nativecall.pod6
Add NUL byte in NativeCall example

Also clarify when/why this is necessary.
Closes #3169		 10:33
doc: cf18fa84cd | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/nativecall.pod6
Merge pull request #3171 from taboege/nativecall-gh3169

Add NUL byte in NativeCall example
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Geth doc: af842276cc | (Tobias Boege)++ | doc/Language/nativecall.pod6
'with the it' → 'with it'
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Geth doc: dumarchie++ created pull request #3172:
Clarify when a Seq .is-lazy		 12:49
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tbrowder .ask Kaiepi are you interested in mentoring for a GSoC project to work on pod improvements? i could maybe help if need be 13:15
tellable6 tbrowder, I'll pass your message to Kaiepi
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jjmerelo releasable6: status 13:28
tellable6 2020-01-17T19:26:57Z #raku <AlexDaniel> jmerelo: I don't know, stackoverflow just doesn't sound like a resource I'd go to to ask about Raku
releasable6 jjmerelo, Next release will happen when it's ready. 1 blocker. 0 out of 503 commits logged
jjmerelo, Details: gist.github.com/fae83ccc61c57c06de...632ddf464a
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jjmerelo This year The Perl Foundation is going to participate in Outreachy. I have just prepared the projects page here perl-foundation-outreach.github.io...020-ideas/ 13:36
Good thing about outreachy, it needn't be a strictly code project. It can be documentation, or web, or really anything that can attract someone to our community.
It's addressed specifically at women (both cis and trans), trans men, and genderqueer people to apply 13:37
Check out their page, I think it's great that the Perl Foundation has allocated funds for this this year www.outreachy.org/ 13:38
Mechanism is pretty much the same: You propose projects via a PR, then we upload some selected number of them (probably all) to the outreachy page for the candidates to select 13:39
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Kaiepi .tell tbrowder, possibly, i'll think about it 13:47
tellable6 Kaiepi, I'll pass your message to tbrowder
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rir Hi. On raku.org, I could not find reference to method calls with trailing colon. I guess this is new in the last 8 or so years. 14:29
Any clues appreciated.
atroxaper rir: Hi. You can call foo($arg1, $arg2); or foo: $arg1, $arg2; 14:30
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atroxaper rir: everything from : to ; will be used as arguments. 14:32
rir Thanks. And a bare foo: means what multimethod-wise?
My initial meeting is: self.bless: 14:34
:%opts } # closing statement brace 14:36
jnthn The : here is a "precedence drop"; it means the rest of the statement is interpreted as the argument list 14:37
It's useful if the arguments will span multiple lines, or for example be a block
As in $lock.protect: { #`(many lines of code in the block }
Um, missed the ) of the comment
That way you save needing to worry about a closing ) and the } end of statement rule means no need for a ; either 14:38
atroxaper docs.perl6.org/language/syntax#Precedence_drop
rir Thanks jnthn, atroxaper. Raku is a perl in the difficulty of looking up the !:^&@__ constructs! 14:40
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atroxaper jnthn: Hi. I just install a fresh rakudo v2019.11 and cro on a Mac. Try to run raku -e "use Cro::HTTP::Router;" and get '[1] 12345 abort' and Zsh shell or 'Abort trap: 6' in the Bash. Is it known issue? 14:53
s/'and Zsh'/in Zsh/ 14:54
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rindolf atroxaper: hi 16:04
atroxaper: does raku -e "say 12" work? 16:05
jnthn atroxaper: No, and I've no idea what it could be, though if something that straightforward doesn't work I guess the install is pretty broken. 16:08
atroxaper rindolf: sure, yes 16:09
jnthn: going to check in docker.
rindolf atroxaper: ah, ok 16:10
Geth doc: 5dbd830e71 | (Peter du Marchie van Voorthuysen)++ | doc/Type/Seq.pod6
Clarify when a Seq .is-lazy

Even though a cached Seq can be considered a lazy list in the common sense of the word, the .is-lazy predicate has a particular meaning in Raku: it _guarantees_ lazy evaluation, even if the underlying iterator is used to create another Iterable.		 16:18
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doc: c99de01312 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Seq.pod6
Merge pull request #3172 from dumarchie/#3163

Clarify when a Seq .is-lazy		 16:19
perlbot Geth: Error: DBD::SQLite::db do failed: database or disk is full at ./plugins/karma_modify.pm line 68.
Doc_Holliwould I didnt realize sort blocks have such a huge impact on performance. `sort { $^a <=> $^b } @someints` is apparently roughly 15 times slower than `sort @someints`
am i overlooking something? imgur.com/a/YzcRp1s
look at the diff between "Normal Sort with sort block" and "Normal Sort" 16:20
MasterDuke m: my @a = (^100_000).pick(*); { my @b = @a.sort({ $^a <=> $^b }); say @b[0]; say now - ENTER now; }; { my @c = @a.sort; say @c[0]; say now - ENTER now; } 16:29
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Geth doc: jmaslak++ created pull request #3173:
Remove orphan code line		 16:30
perlbot Geth: Error: DBD::SQLite::db do failed: database or disk is full at ./plugins/karma_modify.pm line 68.
MasterDuke bigger difference than i see on my machine, but not 15x 16:31
Doc_Holliwould i get 2.3 and 1.8 when i run that 16:33
and yet in my script it's super slow 16:35
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MasterDuke maybe check a profile 16:36
Doc_Holliwould i dont follow 16:37
MasterDuke perl6 --profile script.raku 16:40
see where is slow. a local profile of just doing those two statements looks pretty similar to me. slowest thing with a bare sort is MERGESORT-REIFIED-LIST, if i do it with a block it's MERGESORT-REIFIED-LIST-WITH which is a little slower 16:41
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Doc_Holliwould That just hangs 16:44
ah 16:47
MasterDuke creating a profile slows the whole program down by a bit, can you reduce the size of the input? and i wouldn't try profiling your whole script, just a cut down version with the slow sort (and then another cut down version with the fast sort to compare)
Doc_Holliwould my code read in a text file, so i had an array of 10000 strings (that contain ints). so the sort block did a str to int conversion every time 16:48
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MasterDuke yeah, that would slow things down some. not sure i would expect it to be 15x slower though... 16:57
huh, the block form is way slower for an array of Strs. but `sort(+*)` is just about as fast as if they're Ints 17:01
atroxaper jnthn: it is ok in docker. 17:18
Geth doc: 24889d8dbb | (Joelle Maslak)++ | doc/Type/Exception.pod6
Remove orphan code line
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doc: 5752b5c350 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Exception.pod6
Merge pull request #3173 from jmaslak/minor-exception-doc-edit

Remove orphan code line
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AlexDaniel simcop2387: hey? 17:55
simcop2387 Hello
AlexDaniel simcop2387: look ↑
simcop2387 huh, let me look not sure what did it
Grinnz the ++ 17:58
simcop2387 ok should be better now
Grinnz: i meant the disk
AlexDaniel simcop2387++ 18:01
yea
simcop2387 as always, log files that didn't get rotated
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rypervenche If I have my $var = "abc123" and I want to see if any of the chars belong to a set in my my $set = set('a' .. 'z'), how could I do that. I feel like I could use $var.comb with (elem) somehow, but I'm not sure how to get it to check each char against the set and then return True or False. 18:08
jmerelo m: my $var = "abc123"; say "a" ∈ $var.comb 18:12
camelia True
jmerelo rypervenche: ^^^^
rypervenche: comb breaks a string into an array, the "element of" operator works in arrays too.
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rypervenche jmerelo: So I'm trying to do something like this. The output is False for all 3. gist.github.com/rypervenche/960601...9582ff1b0a 18:18
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jmerelo rypervenche: sorry, was occupied elsewhere. Not clear what you want to do, and why you want to do it in a set. $test-pw.comb will return an array. The array cannot belong to any of these sets. 18:40
m: my $digit = (^9).any; my $test-pw = "abc123"; say $test-pw.comb eq $digit 18:41
camelia any(False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False)
rypervenche I'm trying to see if $test-pw contains any of the elements of the set. I think maybe I should be doing a smart match...
jmerelo m: my $digit = (^9).any; my $test-pw = "abc123"; say $test-pw.comb.map( * eq $digit ) 18:42
camelia (any(False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False) any(False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False) any(False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False) any(False, True, False, False, False, False, Fals…
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jmerelo rypervenche: maybe a regex might work better 18:43
rypervenche I'm essentially checking a password to see if it constains a digit, and then to see if it contains lowercase letters, uppercase, and I'll also have a variable with some symbols to check of the password contains at least one symbol as well.
Ok, I'll try that out.
jmerelo rypervenche: you can use & on regexes to make a string match all three
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moritz right, you can do something like $passwd ~~ / .* <[a..z]> .* & .* \d .* & <[|"/&%$]>.* / 18:54
but in the end, it's good form to give different error messages depending on which is missing, so you maybe want three different regexes indepdently 18:55
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Doc_Holliwould it's good not to impose arbitrary rules onto the user, that won't help anybody but the attacker 18:57
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Doc_Holliwould when you say "at least this and one of that" you are narrowing the search space 18:58
just require a minimum length of 12, or even 18 characters, and maybe check against a dictionary 18:59
El_Che mandatory xkcd link: xkcd.com/936/
Doc_Holliwould correct horse battery staple 19:01
and i didnt even have to click
and i have a lousy memory 19:02
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Geth doc: 3c883cdcde | (Stoned Elipot)++ | doc/Language/regexes.pod6
Add a distinct section for the :ignorecase regex adverb

  ... so that it has its own entry in the toc of /language/regexes		 19:39
jmerelo stoned75++
I just updated docs.raku.org, will re-generate to include this 19:40
stoned75 hi jmerelo!
btw this has the side effect of adding yet another (sub)page having the same "defect" as the one reported in github.com/Raku/doc/issues/3159 19:42
jmerelo stoned75: yep, I noticed
stoned75: there's still an issue with the names of those subpages.
stoned75 I guess Documentable could use some work on this aspect 19:43
jmerelo stoned75: we'll probably have to check ad-hoc indexes and maybe generate errors or something
stoned75: it needs some work on all aspects
stoned75 eh :)
jmerelo stoned75: I am going to kidnap Antonio next week, or when he finishes his exams to get to work on this.
stoned75 cool ! btw I'll be in fosdem, I'll drop by to say hi! :) 19:44
jmerelo stoned75: ah great!
stoned75: I think I have stand duty on Sunday morning
stoned75 that's cool 19:45
stand spotted on the map ;-) 19:46
jmerelo stoned75: something is wrong with the generation, but I can't really find what 19:48
stoned75: let me check
stoned75 was ok for me :-} 19:50
jmerelo It's OK, I guess... It's generated the page, the date and time has changed, but I still see the old file, even locally. 19:52
stoned75 btw don't you want to run the whole docs generation in the travis pipeline ? or is it too costly ?
oh I tend to kill and restart mojo on each update, as I haven't yet figured out when an updated was picked up 19:53
jmerelo stoned75: the problem is that it's a two-phase thing. documentable start generates the initial cache, then documentable update does the next ones
stoned75: it takes less than it used to, but there are few errors that will be caught generating the documentation that will not be caught by the tests 19:54
stoned75 ok IC 19:56
btw that is the '[io grant]' reference in some commits ? 20:02
jmerelo stoned75: a grant requested by Zoffix Znet in 2017, I think
stoned75: it was used to indicate that those commits were part of the grant.
stoned75: the content of the grant was about speeding up and completing IO in Rakudo 20:03
stoned75: let me see if I find it
stoned75 from the perl foundation ?
jmerelo stoned75: right blogs.perl.org/users/zoffix_znet/20...grant.html
stoned75 that was cool 20:04
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jmerelo stoned75: I regenerated the documentation. docs.raku.org/language/regexes#Ignore works now 20:05
stoned75: and that's another issue for documentable. It does not work some times
jmerelo goes AFK to dinner. See ya!
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melezhik84 Приветствую! Получилось протестировать API? 20:52
Sorry was not meant to public (((-; 20:53
Went to wrong place ((-:
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Geth doc: f3ea310143 | (Sterling Hanenkamp)++ | doc/Type/IO/Socket/Async.pod6
Fix minor C<> => L<> typo
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Geth doc: tbrowder++ created pull request #3174:
Use better word than 'exposition' and reword the paragraph		 22:14
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Geth doc: 699343c65b | (Tom Browder)++ | writing-docs/STYLEGUIDE.md
Use better word than 'exposition' and reword the paragraph
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doc: aba1c0fce2 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | writing-docs/STYLEGUIDE.md
Merge pull request #3174 from tbrowder/fix-typo

Use better word than 'exposition' and reword the paragraph
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Geth doc: tbrowder++ created pull request #3176:
Add more info, clean up text and definitions		 22:38
doc: c0d025b29b | (Tom Browder)++ | CONTRIBUTING_PRs.md
Add more info, clean up text and definitions
doc: 9fdb56f25c | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | CONTRIBUTING_PRs.md
Merge pull request #3176 from tbrowder/fix-pr-doc

Add more info, clean up text and definitions
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Geth doc: 7b1ac4d525 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | CONTRIBUTING_PRs.md
Use example name
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doc: 8b356fea7b | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | CONTRIBUTING_PRs.md
Usable, but not yet perfect
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Geth doc: 07bfebe0ab | (Stoned Elipot)++ | doc/Language/io-guide.pod6
Fix link to phasers will trait
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