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Voldenet `random-variate(dist => 'bernoulli', :p(0.3), size => 1000)` looks nice but it'd be needed to be built into the library, which would be tedious 00:38
I was going on about having a namespace, for which namespace would have precedence over other usable symbols 00:42
`class Thing::One is Thing { }; class Other::One is Other { }; sub foo(Thing x) { }; sub bar(Other x) { }; bar(One.new); foo(One.new)`
it's really weird to read in the context, because I used colliding symbols and meaningless names 00:43
hm, I could use Dist::Uniform and Noise::Uniform perhaps
but that'd be property of Noise using uniform dist, no ideas come to mind 00:44
either way, that does simplify the code
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alati hi all... I hope things are well with you 00:49
Voldenet same, good day to you 00:50
I mean, it's 3am where I sit, but it's still day
alati :) good day
same but... you know, reminiscing and such
I remember Util was pretty active before. Perhaps it's not the time of day or week day to be on irc 00:51
it's nice that the community still has a prescence here though...
anyway, I shared on #-dev I'm working on using raku for daily tasks. definitely I feel like using it for a custom DSL and bdd work would be fun so 00:53
honestly I came because I was thinking of Util
but I do think raku would be extremely useful in qa work... 00:56
Voldenet yeah, there are features that severely reduce complexity, people don't mention it often but ability of not using () for function call really makes code a lot nicer 01:05
alati kinda funny you mention the lack of () because honestly that sort of boggles my mind still 01:06
[Coke] Util still works with raku. I assume he'll be giving another talk at the next raku/perl con for NA in CAN in 2027
alati I suppose it's only been this week I got back in to raku
[Coke] he's not often on irc though
alati :D
well, good news overall then
thank you both for being available 01:07
Voldenet well, dropping () is non-mandatory, but it feels right in a lot of places 01:08
though you can write java in raku as well
or rather, code that structurally resembles java 01:09
alati that's true, I admit I got fairly comfortable with leaving () out in a lot of python after some years but it still getting used to it
originally I was on ##php in the old node
and knowing raku can be like java in the regard.... could be interesting for my work. not personally but in the industry
Voldenet welp, I used some python before and () wasn't too bad
alati I can't say I work in java at all these days, I'm just helpdesk 01:10
automation and ticketing
Voldenet I'm glad that new compilers enable embedded raku scripting
alati oO
Voldenet (rakupp and mutsu, both) 01:11
alati ah yeah mutsu
err... I could search it but just to speak it to the ether here, raku + wasm for browser stuff? 01:12
I've got a friend doing some webgl and I guess vulkan things in browser
trying to argue that raku could be helpful in the project ;) but that's just me being obsessive likely 01:14
[Coke] anton: Data::Generators
died in a blin run with:
Voldenet Well, rakudo on moarvm was compiled to wasm and working, but it was a bit slow
[Coke] [Data::Generators] # Failed test at t/05-random-variate.rakutest line 72^M
[Data::Generators] # expected approximately: 0.4^M
[Data::Generators] # got: 0.3884^M
[Data::Generators] # maximum absolute tolerance: 0.01^M
[Data::Generators] # actual absolute difference: 0.0116^M
Voldenet otoh rakupp and mutsu both give you some js wrappers, I'm betting the libs they provide are using wasm 01:15
[Coke] assuming that's a flapper
Voldenet the raku.online/ one and tokuhirom.github.io/mutsu/playground.html one
alati I like it
oO 01:16
Voldenet yeah, they both are using wasm, just checked
alati bit of an exciting feeling
can't believe it's actually 417 now... sleep schedule gone awry 01:17
i blame andor
Voldenet and I've planned to do this on weekend :> 01:18
alati :D
Voldenet that's what weekends are for 01:19
alati I suppose they are
I feel soon every day will be a weekend for me however
office closure
nothing official on my position which is interesting
not to detract, weekends are indeed where the mind wanders 01:20
it's nice
and I'm happy to hear Util is active in general 01:25
I have yet another silly idea: selinux management tools but in raku 01:28
I swear I'll stop it's just... obsession
20 years and I'm still behaving pretty much the same way
Voldenet well I've used iptables for a long while 01:29
alati and here I'm still learning iptables
Voldenet and the syntax is far from user friendly
alati yea but now? nftables
I think iptables is nice enough to translate but it's still 2 different things right?
Voldenet yeah, nftables are so much better
for a lot of features it's mostly just new syntax 01:30
alati I do keep hearing that... at work we still have deb9 soon to be decommissioned but
you know
Voldenet turns out that "just new syntax" is a lot
alati oh yeah, speak better work things out
Voldenet people have been hating on genAI, but I like it
alati same same 01:31
Voldenet I can now, instead of printing things to console and having my head hurt, just make a nice UI for it, with d3 graphs and so on
alati I tried local models but you still have to build a rapport on with them
I admit using chatgpt
and mistral
Voldenet local models work, but hardware I have is very limited compared to what claude, chatgpt, copilot or deepseek have 01:32
eh, I also use built-in google one sometimes, but it's very limited
I think it's gemini flash
actually worse than local models 01:33
alati :D that's a new one for me, cool though
worse xD
sorry to hear
Voldenet But it's good if you only need answer to a simple question
alati hm sort of a simpler rag I suppose
Voldenet like "i don't remember name of the tool that did X"
alati I did try with chatgpt making a simpler nn/nlp/rag modeling
yes! 01:34
even worse, the name of a song
Voldenet I remember being shocked how well grok did with media
alati I have recovered certain classics that I vaguely remember and it just happens to help me find them
indeed a fun tool
hm 01:38
the world we live in I suppose :>
...just one more maybe? 01:41
proxmox has some sources online and it relies on some perl modules
could upgrade it to use raku instead :)))
pmx9 hah... 01:42
but seriously I have rediscovered raku language and I think it is inspirational
for me at least
especially with DSL, I'd rather sandbox some code I don't trust and have a system to audit 01:43
Voldenet yes it feels nice to write in, feels a bit like ruby but more familiar syntax 01:47
alati please forgive me for an irrational disgust of ruby 01:50
I tried it for a few weeks not out of work obligation
it's different
would rather a different management system 01:51
it's a little funny because I helped train an old colleague in coldfusion but he then went on to ruby for medical and... you know more power to him 01:52
I just couldn't 01:53
inflexibility is a problem
maybe
I need to be nice to myself
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alati is it ok to ask about the perlmonks site? 02:02
whats with the ssl issue
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[Coke] coldfusion? there aren't many of us around. :| 02:28
alati :') 02:29
I can't actually admit to even doing modules, just basic cf stuff 02:30
I swear I'm only awake currently because coffe and pizza 02:31
5am is the magic hour
sant'e 02:37
also because of a poor schedule 02:42
need to cron my life
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alati small reboot 02:48
hm... I thought it was small 02:58
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disbot <jubilatious1_98524> @Voldenet , from the R-help pages: "dunif gives the density, punif is the cumulative distribution function, and qunif is the quantile function of the uniform distribution. runif generates random deviates." 06:43
<jubilatious1_98524> Maybe something like this? unix.stackexchange.com/questions/7...681#790681 06:50
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disbot <antononcube> @Coke Since Rakudo does not have reproducible random number generation the random data generation tests of "Data::Generators" occasionally fail. Usually, a second run makes those tests past. 12:46
<antononcube> I can change the test files to exactly, that.
<antononcube> On the other hand, Rakupp does have reproducible random number generation -- with the same random seed the the same random number sequence is obtained. 12:47
<antononcube> @Volenet "[...] Dist::Uniform and Noise::Uniform [...]" -- these interesting designs, but they are not telling much. Think about a "standard" data scientist that has to read Raku code in order to understand certain analysis document (article or blog post). Names like "Dist::Uniform" and "Noise::Uniform" are too ambiguous. 12:52
<antononcube> This statement is pretty clear: random-variate(UniformDistribution.new(min => 10, max => 200), size => 1000) 12:54
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update_release.yml: Re-addint (organizational) token
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Voldenet of course, but I'm not sure if I'd design the api for "cumbersome to write, wordy and descriptive, but obvious" 20:58
both use cases make sense
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