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mspo what does simple mean in this context 00:04
xkr47 I don't know, GPT-2 invented everything except the first sentence :) 00:09
cpan-raku New module released to CPAN! CSS (0.0.1) by 03WARRINGD 00:11
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cpan-raku New module released to CPAN! Kind (0.1.0) by 03KAIEPI 00:40
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xinming SmokeMachine: termbin.com/0gmt6 This will cause 'This type cannot unbox to a native string: P6opaque, Failure' error 06:33
The raku version is `This is Rakudo version 2019.11 built on MoarVM version 2019.11`
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xinming SmokeMachine: i just try to narrow down, It's not Red problem. 08:31
It seems, It's DB::Pg problem, I'll continue trying
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chloekek Does DBIish support writing custom SQLite collations in Raku? 13:28
Iā€™ll open a feature request, doesnā€™t seem like it. 13:30
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chloekek Nice trick: put large/bulky SQL queries in a resource, and load them with $dbh.prepare(BEGIN { %?RESOURCES<blabla.sql>.slurp }) 14:15
lizmat it's what %?RESOURCES was intended for :-) 14:17
chloekek p6: given " foo ".trim { s:g/' '/%/; .say } 14:22
camelia foo
chloekek p6: given " foo ".trim { s:g/' '/%/; .say }
camelia foo
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chloekek p6: given ' foo '.trim { s:g/' '/%/; .say } 14:22
camelia foo
chloekek Interesting, I get an error that Iā€™m trying to mutate an immutable Str. 14:23
p6: given ' foo '.trim { s:g/(' ')/%\\$0/; .say }
camelia foo
chloekek Oh lol.
p6: given ' f o o '.trim { s:g/(' ')/%/; .say } # better example
camelia Cannot modify an immutable Str (f o o)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
chloekek Iā€™ll just not use s/// :P 14:24
uzl[m] Passing by to wish everyone Merry Christmas! 14:26
p: given ' f o o '.trim { S:g/(' ')/%/; .say }
p6: given ' f o o '.trim { S:g/(' ')/%/; .say }
camelia f o o
chloekek S doesnā€™t modify $_ so .say still prints the old one. 14:28
p6: given ' f o o '.trim { say S:g/(' ')/%/ }
camelia f%o%o
chloekek However, in reality I have two substitutions and you canā€™t chain them easily with S.
p6: given ' f o o '.trim { say {S:g/(' ')/%/}(S:g/f/x/); } 14:29
camelia x%o%o
chloekek Works but ugly. :Ć¾
uzl[m] p6: say S:g/(' ')/%/ with ' f o o '; 14:30
camelia %f%o%o%
chloekek p6: given ' f o o ' { $_ ==> trim() ==> {S:g/(' ')/%/} ==> {S:g/f/x/} ==> say(); }
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Only routine calls or variables that can '.push' may appear on either side of feed operators.
at <tmp>:1
------> 3given ' f o o ' { $_ ==> trim() ==> 7ā5{S:g/(' ')/%/} ==> {S:g/f/x/} ==> say();ā€¦
chloekek p6: given ' f o o ' { $_ ==> trim() ==> {S:g/(' ')/%/}() ==> {S:g/f/x/}() ==> say(); }
camelia x%o%o
chloekek Thatā€™s ok I suppose.
uzl[m] say S:g/(' ')/%/ given ' f o o '; 14:31
evalable6 %f%o%o%
uzl[m] However, you must trim the string.
say S:g/(' ')/%/ with ' f o o '.trim;
evalable6 f%o%o
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chloekek Went with $query.trim.subst(/\s+/, ā€˜::ā€™, :g).subst(/(<[%_\\]>)/, {ā€œ\\$0ā€}, :g) 14:42
Xliff Merry Christmas, #raku! 14:43
sena_kun Xliff: o/ 14:52
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chloekek p6: say ā€˜merry christmasā€™.tc 15:03
camelia Merry christmas
chloekek p6: ā€˜merry christmasā€™.subst(/Ā«./, {$0.tc}, :g).say 15:05
camelia Use of Nil in string context
erry hristmas
in block at <tmp> line 1
Use of Nil in string context
in block at <tmp> line 1
chloekek p6: ā€˜merry christmasā€™.subst(/Ā«(.)/, {$0.tc}, :g).say 15:06
camelia Merry Christmas
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kalkin hi 15:18
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sena_kun lizmat: ping? 15:38
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sena_kun hopes masak can de-bitrot github.com/masak/data-pretty with help of PRs available 16:30
.seen lembark 16:47
tellable6 sena_kun, I saw lembark 2019-07-03T18:33:03Z in #perl6: <lembark> If the issue is closure conext fine, where can I look to find out how the closure context is defined and how it affects the state vars?
sena_kun .tell lembark hi! your FindBin module is failing tests for some reason, can you check it? 16:48
tellable6 sena_kun, I'll pass your message to lembark
sena_kun .tell masak not only github.com/masak/data-pretty but github.com/masak/gge wants some de-bitrotting too... 16:51
tellable6 sena_kun, I'll pass your message to masak
sarna hello, whatā€™s (*SKIP)(*F) and does raku have it? 17:04
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Xliff sarna: Where are you getting that from? 17:34
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moritz perldoc perlre has something on (*SKIP) 17:43
Xliff Is there a way to invoke perl6's compiling routines from inside perl6? 17:46
Or is the expected way to invoke perl6 from a subshell? 17:47
chloekek Xliff: what do you want to compile and what do you expect to get? 17:48
Xliff I want to compile (and have it output .moarvm files as normal) perl6 modules
I basically want to see if I can write a more efficient perl6 loader without having to drop to NQP. 17:49
One where I can actually start parallel compilation jobs.
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xinming After we rename perl6 to raku, Will the .perl method also be renamed? :-) 17:53
sena_kun xinming: yeah 17:58
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sena_kun github.com/perl6/problem-solving/b...ku.md#perl <- xinming 17:58
lizmat sena_kun: pong 18:00
sena_kun lizmat: o/ 18:02
I guess you are aware that Acme::Cow6 fails tests? 18:03
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sena_kun I filled a ticket anyway, iirc 18:03
lizmat yeah... don't worry about it
sena_kun oki 18:04
lizmat it was an experiment, and one that is still ongoing
and not very serious
sena_kun no problem, I am just going over all not-OK things in the ecosystem for the release and thought you're the author that did not abandon modules. :) 18:05
sarna Xliff: something something perl regexes 18:11
lizmat sena_kun: it's not abandoned, it's just resting 18:12
sena_kun nods 18:13
++lizmat
lizmat and I *have* abandoned all of my Perl modules, so I have abandoned modules
just no Raku modules
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chloekek Xliff: even the Rakudo module for precompiling distributions spawns a subprocess so I doubt thereā€™s another way to do it than via MoarVM flags. 18:22
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cpan-raku New module released to CPAN! Math::Libgsl (0.0.3) by 03FRITH 18:55
johnjohn101 hi raku!! i think i'm going to try a few things today with this 18:56
sarna hello johnjohn101 o/
johnjohn101 what is panda?
lizmat the predecessor of zef 18:57
the way to install modules from the ecosystem
johnjohn101 ok was going to do this... so panda isn't used any more? 18:58
andrewshitov.com/2018/10/31/databa...in-perl-6/
lizmat panda is indeed not the tool of choice for installing modules 19:00
(anymore)
sarna johnjohn101: `zef install DBIish` should work 19:02
johnjohn101 ok, will do that. 1st i need to get this working on ubuntu. 19:04
sarna I recommend lonestar 19:05
sena_kun tyil: ping?
sarna johnjohn101: github.com/Tyil/lonestar 19:06
will work fine if your shell is zsh or bash
johnjohn101 ok, thanks...
sena_kun .tell tyll hi! I can't install App::Cpan, the output is gist.github.com/Altai-man/f65f529f...897a875746 can you please check it?
tellable6 sena_kun, I haven't seen tyll around, did you mean tyil?
johnjohn101 i don't customize anything
sena_kun oops
sarna yeah so you should be just fine :)
sena_kun .tell tyil hi! I can't install App::Cpan, the output is gist.github.com/Altai-man/f65f529f...897a875746 can you please check it? 19:07
tellable6 sena_kun, I'll pass your message to tyil
johnjohn101 part of my issue today is complete procrastination and lazy. 1st vacay in over a year and my brain is telling me not to do anything that requires anykind of thinking
sarna you can take some rest instead then!
thatā€™s a lot of time without vacation :)
johnjohn101 and i work a high stress coding job 19:08
sarna coding in your spare time sounds like an overkill :D 19:10
sena_kun prepared a Christmas present for jnthn 19:12
:P
johnjohn101 well, i use some of my spare time for education. small projects that i've learned a technique or what not have paid off royally 19:14
at work. in fact, i was goofing around with some stuff last year at this time and now it's used in our product 19:15
chloekek At work I only learn Python pitfalls and XML feed problems so I spend my free time learning useful and fun things.
lizmat johnjohn101++
johnjohn101 tbh, i love xml::twig to do xml stuff. LOVE IT 19:17
sena_kun github.com/pierre-vigier/Perl6-Dat...ck/pull/17 github.com/pierre-vigier/Perl6-Dat...ck/pull/18 lol I guess
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Xliff Ooh! XML::Twig looks cool! 20:23
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Xliff Hope this is pure Perl5. I might wanna see if this can be ported. 20:24
Grinnz it's not, it uses XML::Parser
Xliff Awww....
Grinnz well XML::Twig itself is 20:25
Xliff Well... that's not so bad.
I can Inline::Perl5 XML::Parser until that too is ported.
Grinnz prefers Mojo::DOM
which is already ported i believe ;) 20:26
Xliff What? There's a Perl6 Mojolicious?
Grinnz no, but it was ported under the name DOM::Tiny
Xliff www.google.com/search?q=munch%27s+...W6FXR40KM: 20:28
Xliff swoons.
Um... 20:31
What are <.rule> tokens for? Non capturing? 20:32
And is this valid? <.valid-rule>
moritz <off-topic>I've recently read that right around the time that Munch painted this, a vulcanic eruption might have actually turned the sky red</off-topic>
yes, <.foo> is non-capturing
m: grammar A { token a-b { . }; token TOP { <a-b> }}: A.parse('x') 20:33
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Confused
at <tmp>:1
------> 3{ token a-b { . }; token TOP { <a-b> }}:7ā5 A.parse('x')
expecting any of:
colon pair
Xliff m: grammar A { token a-b { . }; token TOP { <a-b> }}; A.parse('x')
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Bogus postfix
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 . }; token TOP { <a-b> }}; A.parse('x')7ā5
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end
statement modifā€¦
Xliff m: grammar A { token a-b { . }; token TOP { <a-b> }}; A.parse('x')
camelia ( no output )
Xliff m: grammar A { token a-b { . }; token TOP { <a-b> }}; A.parse('x').say
camelia ļ½¢xļ½£
a-b => ļ½¢xļ½£
Xliff moritz++
m: grammar A { token a-b { . }; token TOP { <.a-b> }}; A.parse('x').say 20:34
camelia ļ½¢xļ½£
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Xliff ('a'...'z').hyper.map({ .say }) 20:40
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Xliff ('a'...'z').hyper.map({ sleep rand; .say }) 20:41
m: rand.say
camelia 0.651624443789071
Xliff m: ('a'...'z').hyper.map({ sleep rand; .say })
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Xliff m: ('a'...'z').hyper.map({ sleep 1.rand; .say }) 20:42
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Xliff m: sleep rand; say now - INIT now;
camelia 0.9780913
Xliff m: sleep rand; say now - INIT now;
camelia 0.5319324
Xliff m: sleep rand; say now - INIT now;
camelia 0.1741123
Xliff m: sleep rand; say now - INIT now;
camelia 0.861960193
Xliff m: sleep 2.rand; say now - INIT now;
camelia 0.1759264
Xliff m: sleep 2.rand; say now - INIT now; 20:43
camelia 0.880982
Xliff m: sleep 2.rand; say now - INIT now;
camelia 0.703917
Xliff m: sleep 2.rand; say now - INIT now;
camelia 1.5179566
Xliff m: 2.rand.say
camelia 1.9859595382464654
Xliff m: 2.rand.say
camelia 1.5541059515765867
Xliff m: ^999.pick
camelia Potential difficulties:
Precedence of ^ is looser than method call; please parenthesize
at <tmp>:1
------> 3^9997ā5.pick
WARNINGS for <tmp>:
Useless use of "^" in expression "^999.pick" in sink context (line 1)
Xliff m: (^999).pick
camelia ( no output )
Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
camelia 802
Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
camelia 982
Xliff m: (^999).pick.say 20:44
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Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
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Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
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Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
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Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
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Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
camelia 696
Xliff Hmmm... why skewed so high?!
m: (^999).pick.say
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Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
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Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
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Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
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Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
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Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
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Xliff m: (^999).pick.say
camelia 591
lizmat m: say (^10000).map( { ^10000 .pick } ).sum / 10000 20:48
camelia 4993.5009
lizmat m: say (^10000).map( { ^10000 .pick } ).sum / 10000
camelia 5080.0407
lizmat m: say (^10000).map( { ^10000 .pick } ).sum / 10000
camelia 4994.3976
lizmat I don't see much bias ? 20:49
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Xliff Well, when I see 5 numbers in the 900s out of 999 of them, I wonder. 20:51
How can I assure I get @a to run $*KERNEL.cpu-core jobs in parallel? Especially if @a is larger than the number of cores? 20:52
.hyper and .race all seem to not be starting threads in parallel.
lizmat if the load of the work done in a batch is too low, it'll get finished too soon 20:53
alleviating the need to start more threads
this can usually be solved by a larger number for :batch
Xliff batch or degree? 20:54
lizmat degree is the max mumber of threads it will use
Xliff I don't want to pass more than one element to a worker, so I leave batch at 1
lizmat batch is the number of values it will pull before sending it off to a thread
Xliff I set degree equal to the number of cpus
lizmat that's ok
but if the batch-size is too small, you're just creating overhead
Xliff I'd rather it just start max(x, $cpu) threads and start another thread as they come available until the queue is exhausted. 20:56
Yes, some of these jobs are finishing in a second or less, but I still want them to occur in parallel.
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Xliff I don't want Raku to tell me that's not enough time before it will spawn another thread. 20:56
So does this mean I have to work around .hyper and .race and roll my own? 20:57
lizmat thing is, it *will* do what you want if the batch sizes create enough load 20:58
Xliff OK. So maybe I let it run until some of the more heavier loads and it will start new threads?
lizmat it should
Xliff :S
lizmat if you have a script that does a run like that
you can also run it with -Msnapper 20:59
Xliff And that does?
lizmat and it should give you output at the end of the run from which you can see when threads where started
Xliff Hmmm...
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lizmat RAKUDO_SNAPPER=1 raku -Msnapper script 21:00
would do a snapshot every second
Xliff Hmmm... gw of 2. 21:01
What I really wanna emulate is like "make -j$cores" but in Perl6. 21:02
lizmat Perl6? :-)
Xliff Yes. I want to make a perl6 compiler that parallelizes precompile of perl6 21:03
scripts
lizmat perl6 ?
Xliff s/compiler/script/
lizmat :-)
Xliff No. It doesn't.
lizmat you mean Raku ? :-)
Xliff Oh. Yes. Sorry.
C'mon Liz. We all revert occasionally. ;p 21:04
;)
lizmat no pb, I make that mistake still
every now and then
Xliff Yes. Next time use a sledgehammer. I am not one for subtle hints! :)
lizmat and I'm the one telling everybody on Twitter that they shouldn't :)
Xliff Had your chance! 21:05
Now I insist you use Nerf products! It will be nicer for my head!
lizmat so, if you start up X threads, how are you going to distribute the work to those threads ?
consider yourself nerfed :-)
Xliff LOL
lizmat: Well, thread starts with name of script to precompile. 21:06
I just don't want to have more threads than the number of cores at any given time.
lizmat this feels like premature optimization to me
Xliff I may have to re-think this simple implementation into something more atimic. 21:07
s/atimic/atomic/
I've given it careful thought and I don't think that's true.
Consider: I have scripts with a varying numnber of dependencies.
I have a list of optimal build order.
I'd like to pop off a all scripts that have no remaining dependencies and compile them in parallel. 21:08
Rinse and repeat until the List is exhausted.
Right now I could do a top-down compile and it would get me close, but threads would hang when more dependencies are detected. 21:09
Start another thread and compile that until either it finishes or another dependency is found.
lizmat well, precompilation currently still spawns an async process
so I'm not sure what using threads will bring 21:10
Xliff http:://github.com/Xliff/p6-GtkPlus <- Grab this and follow the installation instructions.
And I would SERIOUSLY appreciate tips on how to make that go faster.
Even with your monster it will take close to an hour. It should not need to take that long. 21:11
Oh... and my monster is bigger than yours. I tested! :D
(that sounds vaguely obescene...)
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lizmat :-) 21:12
.oO( dirt is in the mind of the beholder )
cpan-raku New module released to CPAN! Map::Ordered (0.0.3) by 03ELIZABETH 21:20
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tbrowder Merry Christmas, Raku, and Happy Fourth Birthday! 21:25
ref Raku Advent: we can get a "free" domain with our current plan. choices currently are: 21:27
m: my $r="rakuadventcalendar"; my @tld="com","blog","org"; .say "$r.$_" for @tld 21:31
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3endar"; my @tld="com","blog","org"; .say7ā5 "$r.$_" for @tld
expecting any of:
infix
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statement end
ā€¦
tbrowder m: say $r 21:32
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$r' is not declared
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say 7ā5$r
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tbrowder m: my $r="rakuadventcalendar"; my @tld="com","blog","org"; .say("$r.$_") for @tld 21:33
camelia Cannot resolve caller say(Str:D: Str:D); none of these signatures match:
(Mu: *%_)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
tbrowder m: my $r="rakuadventcalendar"; my @tld="com","blog","org"; .say("{$r}.{$_}") for @tld 21:34
camelia Cannot resolve caller say(Str:D: Str:D); none of these signatures match:
(Mu: *%_)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
tbrowder m: my $r="rakuadventcalendar"; my @tld="com","blog","org"; .say("$r'.'$_") for @tld
camelia Cannot resolve caller say(Str:D: Str:D); none of these signatures match:
(Mu: *%_)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
tbrowder m: my $r="rakuadventcalendar"; my @tld="com","blog","org"; .say($r ~ '.' ~ $_) for @tld 21:35
camelia Cannot resolve caller say(Str:D: Str:D); none of these signatures match:
(Mu: *%_)
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tbrowder m: my $r="rakuadventcalendar"; my @tld="com","blog","org"; say($r ~ '.' ~ $_) for @tld
camelia rakuadventcalendar.com
rakuadventcalendar.blog
rakuadventcalendar.org
tbrowder votes, please 21:36
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sena_kun .seen uzl[m] 22:01
tellable6 sena_kun, I saw uzl[m] 2019-12-25T14:31:49Z in #raku: <uzl[m]> say S:g/(' ')/%/ with ' f o o '.trim;
sena_kun .tell uzl[m] hi! it seems there are some issues with installing modules.raku.org/dist/QM:cpan:UZLUISF, it would be awesome if you could check it out, doesn't seem like a recent regression 22:02
tellable6 sena_kun, I'll pass your message to uzl[m]
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tyil sena_kun: will check out App::CPAN soon-ish, I sadly have little time around the holidays :( 22:23
tellable6 2019-12-25T19:07:05Z #raku <sena_kun> tyil hi! I can't install App::Cpan, the output is gist.github.com/Altai-man/f65f529f...897a875746 can you please check it?
tyil looks like an incorrect dep
sena_kun tyil: thanks! no problem or a hurry, I am just preparing a release and telling people some things are broken. :)
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