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discord6 <Vendethiel> I’d need to think first :D that’s difficult 00:34
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uzl[m] lizmat: Good job as always with the Raku weekly. BTW, Calender -> Calendar 00:50
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uzl[m] I wasn't aware that changing a Github username was so easy. Also like Camelia with the suitcase. 00:51
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Xliff \o usl! 01:29
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Kaiepi i'm writing a way to type check values based off what kind they have. i have a parametric type that can be used for this, but i'm stuck using it in a where clause. is there any way i can write it so it happens at compile-time? 02:30
it being the type check
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jmerelo I've voted to reopen this question in StackOverflow stackoverflow.com/questions/590352...k-wont-end 06:49
Even if the answer is elsewhere, and the code is similar, I would rather point the author in a comment or answer to it, than close it. 06:50
Also, they're new contributors. It's always better to help them than to reject them from the beginning closing their question. This is not what the community is about. 06:51
BTW, I saw it in the exciting new edition of Rakudo weekly, twitter.com/liztormato/status/1199...7423562753 06:52
Grinnz that's more a general stack overflow policy, I kind of agree it's offputting but it's also useful in the long run 🤷 06:53
an answer saying your answer is somewhere is probably clearer for newbies yes
especially when it's not exactly the same answer 06:54
jmerelo Grinnz: I'd like to arrive at the long run first
Grinnz: it's not exactly the same question, also, they're coming at it from a different angle. It's bound to show up in search results, too. 06:55
Grinnz: I mean, when we have like 10 questions a day, we'd probably cut the job short a bit by closing those that have been duplicated. But right now there are less than 300 questions with the Raku label. 06:56
We can't afford to lose a single one. Let's try and improve them instead of bashing them down.
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nige_ I just freed up one my advent calendar slots (9th of Dec) another author is welcome to fill it ... 07:01
jmerelo nige_: thanks! 07:02
nige_ thanks - new $day-job means less tuits for the next few weeks 07:05
jmerelo nige_: congrats, and thanks for your remaining collaboration anyway.
nige_ no probs - its been good fun to contribute to the calendar over the years 07:07
speaking of collaboration - I've teamed up with three student teams from the uni of bristol to create MVP start up businesses 07:12
each team is using the same start up api
in 2020 i'd like to release a Raku client to help with getting apps started 07:13
(the api isn't yet ready just yet) 07:14
jmerelo nige_: that would be great :-) 07:15
nige_ cool :-) ...would love to see some jobs out there for Raku devs 07:16
(another good way to attract users)
jmerelo nige_++
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El_Che morning 07:28
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lizmat uzl[m]++ # fixed 09:15
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Geth problem-solving: 0ac3cb71be | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | solutions/language/Path-to-Raku.md
s/RAKU_HOME/RAKUDO_HOME/

The 2019.07 Changelog states:
   Introduced `PERL6_HOME` and `NQP_HOME` which allow to control where
   Perl 6 and NQP look for their installation
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El_Che lo 16:17
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Kaiepi m: my constant Documented = do { $_ := Metamodel::ClassHOW.new_type(:name<Documented>); $_.compose; $_.set_why: Pod::Block::Declarator.new: :leading<foo bar baz>; $_ }; say Documented.WHY 17:49
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
An exception occurred while evaluating a constant
at <tmp>:1
Exception details:
No such method 'compose' for invocant of type 'Documented'
in block at <tmp> line 1
Kaiepi m: my constant Documented = do { $_ := Metamodel::ClassHOW.new_type(:name<Documented>); $_.^compose; $_.^set_why: Pod::Block::Declarator.new: :leading<foo bar baz>; $_ }; say Documented.WHY
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
An exception occurred while evaluating a constant
at <tmp>:1
Exception details:
5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling
Too many positionals passed; expected 2 arguments but got 3
at :
Kaiepi m: my constant Documented = do { $_ := Metamodel::ClassHOW.new_type(:name<Documented>); $_.HOW.compose: $_; $_.HOW.set_why: Pod::Block::Declarator.new: :leading<foo bar baz>; $_ }; say Documented.WHY 17:50
camelia foo bar baz
Kaiepi how do you use newlines in pod declarator blocks?
tony-o m: my constant Documented = do { $_ := Metamodel::ClassHOW.new_type(:name<Documented>); $_.HOW.compose: $_; $_.HOW.set_why: Pod::Block::Declarator.new: :leading(["foo\nbar", "baz"]); $_ }; say Documented.WHY 17:52
camelia foo
bar baz
tellable6 2019-11-09T14:32:34Z #raku-dev <tbrowder> tony-o is it possible to add the roast master branch to the build testing for a rakudo PR?
tony-o tbrowder: yes i believe so, do you have somewhere you want me to look for this?
or, a CI you're using specifically? either GH or travis or circle? 17:53
Kaiepi i mean using #| or #= syntax, tony-o 17:54
that's the desugared form of this:
#|[foo] 17:55
#|[bar]
#|[baz]
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tbrowder tony-o: the github folks said they increased the build time for us, so i would like to try out a spec (roast) test for the master branch. can we somehow create a roast test for master that is selectable instead of the normal build? maybe a special branch for the release managers? 18:10
us (rakudo) 18:11
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tony-o yea i can work on that 18:18
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tony-o err, sorry, you're referring to gh actions, no? tbrowder 18:19
tbrowder i'm not sure, build time increase is for rakudo, so i would like us to try a build for rakudo and run the full spec test (or at least as much as we can, using travis). 18:21
El_Che tbrowder: wouldn't you be cut at 50m? 18:22
tbrowder travis folks said build time has been increased 18:23
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tony-o oh, i see..let me think on how to do that 18:24
yes it can be done, probably in a lot of bad/slow ways
tbrowder maybe you can talk to the travis engineer: Jan Schulte, i'll send tel number by priv msg 18:25
tony-o ah, danke - i'll whatsapp him once i figure out what i'd like to ask 18:27
Doc_Holliwould finally I had a use for dynamic variables 18:33
pastebin.com/wdC709JJ
but boy, recursion makes my brain melt.
everytime
El_Che tony-o: hi tony-o (it was me in the problem-solution thread) 18:36
tony-o you're nxadm?
El_Che yes
tony-o Doc_Holliwould: you would love xslt then
El_Che tony-o: I am also Batman, but don't tell anyone :)
Doc_Holliwould I would appreciate it if that word would never be used again in these halls, tyvm 18:37
@tony-o
i loved xsl-fo though, though I cheated because we used templates to create the xml for the pdfs 18:38
tony-o El_Che: my point, as you pointed out, is off topic in terms of that issue but not in terms of discussing a CoC - my point is mainly that an ask for help like that should come after direct communication channels are attempted (like here), and an attempt at getting mediation elsewhere. the problem-solving repo seems like more of a place to committee a decision that needs to be made, that issue skirts the 18:39
issue of a CoC but mainly is focused on the OP feeling harassed
Doc_Holliwould: haha
El_Che tony-o: I have no time to discuss it atm (helping daughter with homework in a few minutes), but I get your point of the Coc and I see it connected to a lack of procedure: no one know how to act and what channels to use. Also if you're the accused party. 18:41
tony-o El_Che: ah, no worries 18:42
[Coke] If we need help with CoC questions, I have a resource in TPF we can probably get some cycles from. 18:43
tony-o i think in this case, specifically, a direct conversation would've alleviated a lot of the tension before it came to what it did
[Coke] (I don't see the original discussion, just tony-o and el_che's comments just now)
tony-o as it usually does with most things in the world
[Coke]: #131 in the problem-solving repo 18:44
[Coke] Danke 18:58
jmerelo December 9th in the Advent calendar was just released github.com/perl6/advent/blob/maste...9/schedule 18:59
It's free for anyone to take, first come, first served.
japhb [Coke]: github.com/perl6/problem-solving/i...-558772828 (Letting you know because I posted after you did, and you seem to be collecting existing SoC/CCoC docs.) 19:03
tony-o ( [Coke] japhb )++ 19:06
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Geth ¦ problem-solving: vrurg assigned to jnthn Issue Remove P5 regexes from Raku github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/133 20:24
Grinnz my uninvested opinion: maybe a PCRE style would be more useful 20:27
that's also less of a moving target
(or even a way to use libpcre2 directly, like re::engine::PCRE2 in perl?) 20:28
vrurg Grinnz: in either case, it's better be a 3rd party module, but not in the core. 20:32
Grinnz sounds reasonable
vrurg Now it's only a matter of someones good will to implement a module. :) 20:33
easy-peasy... 20:34
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Geth ¦ problem-solving: japhb assigned to AlexDaniel Issue Update or replace draft SoC/CCoC github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/134 20:53
¦ problem-solving: AlexDaniel self-unassigned Update or replace draft SoC/CCoC github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/134
¦ problem-solving: AlexDaniel assigned to lizmat Issue Update or replace draft SoC/CCoC github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/134
japhb Wow, that was fast AlexDaniel`. :-) 20:54
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lizmat no pressure, eh? 21:37
El_Che now you know how jnthn feels :P 21:39
japhb El_Che: Oh don't worry, she's aware. :-) 21:49
lizmat received a mail about a release ? 21:54
El_Che :)
AlexDaniel lizmat: what mail?
I didn't send anything
from github? 21:55
lizmat yup
github.com/rakudo/rakudo/releases/tag/2019.11
AlexDaniel well, you all will need to have some patience though :)
lizmat he, ok
AlexDaniel because turns out there are no moarvm tars, I guess that will be fixed shortly
so technically there is a release, but tough luck if you want to build from tars :) 21:56
japhb AlexDaniel: Speaking of MoarVM, now that you've released do you want to bump nqp/rakudo to pick up nine++'s NativeCall fixes? 21:57
AlexDaniel yes yes 21:58
that needs to be done anyway to have nicer version files
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El_Che AlexDaniel: your last release? 22:01
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lizmat El_Che: yes, I think that's correct 22:03
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AlexDaniel El_Che: I hope so 22:10
there's always a chance of a point release 22:11
sena_kun releasable6, status 22:13
releasable6 sena_kun, and I oop! Backtrace: gist.github.com/cf537ba8fe61e9218f...700d834659
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AlexDaniel not your fault 22:14
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AlexDaniel releasable6: status 22:17
releasable6 AlexDaniel, and I oop! Backtrace: gist.github.com/36d32001758d237a6f...30216b6b19
AlexDaniel ok we'll need to wait a bit for it to update :)
but it should be fixed now
sena_kun AlexDaniel, care for a couple of questions wrt releasing process? 22:18
AlexDaniel sena_kun: sure!!
tellable6: CLA 22:19
tellable6 AlexDaniel, I haven't seen CLA around, did you mean CQ?
AlexDaniel notable6: CLA
notable6 AlexDaniel, 1 note: 2019-08-01T07:40:37Z <AlexDaniel>: www.perlfoundation.org/contributor...-agreement print it out, sign it, scan it in (resize your scan to 250KB or less). Email to trademark -at- perlfoundation.org and don't forget to CC will at coleda.com
AlexDaniel sena_kun: ↑ btw it'll be more convenient to commit stuff if you sign the CLA 22:20
sena_kun: e.g. quick tweaks to the release guide and stuff like this
Doc_Holliwould m: my @a = (Any, 1, 2, 6, Any); say @a.grep({ .defined && $_ < 5 }) 22:29
camelia (1 2)
Doc_Holliwould can i get rid of the exlicit defined check without producing warnings? 22:30
m: my @a = (Any, 1, 2, 6, Any); say @a.grep({ ($_|Inf) < 5 }) 22:32
camelia Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context
((Any) 1 2 (Any))
in block at <tmp> line 1
Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context
in block at <tmp> line 1
Doc_Holliwould m: my @a = (Any, 1, 2, 6, Any); say @a.grep({ ($_//Inf) < 5 })
camelia (1 2)
Doc_Holliwould meh
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japhb When I try to `zef install HTTP::UserAgent`, I get "Failed to find dependencies: Encode". How do I figure out what needs to be fixed? Also, `zef info HTTP::UserAgent` just says "Depends: 10 items" without giving any details, and there doesn't seem to be a verbose option. Likewise, `zef depends HTTP::UserAgent` tells me "Failed to resolve some missing dependencies", which isn't useful -- I need to actually 23:51
know what those dependencies are and what it tried. I ended up looking at github.com/sergot/http-useragent/b...META6.json just to see the full depends list, but zef should be able to do that directly.
(Yes, clearly I know zef is having troubles with the Encode dependency. It's not clear whether that's a problem with the ecosystem data, or a moved Encode repo, or an out of date META6 for HTTP::UserAgent, or what.) 23:52
(And in the mean time I discovered the apparent problem with using zef to figure out what went wrong.) 23:53

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