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🦋 Welcome to the MAIN() IRC channel of the Raku Programming Language (raku.org). This channel is logged for the purpose of keeping a history about its development | evalbot usage: 'm: say 3;' or /msg camelia m: ... | Log inspection is getting closer to beta. If you're a beginner, you can also check out the #raku-beginner channel! Set by lizmat on 25 August 2021. |
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| Geth | ecosystem: f0b5b39d1b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | META.list Freeze Web::Template While we move it to the zef ecosystem |
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| ecosystem: a797f20e99 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | META.list Remove Math::Trig and HexDump::Tiny They now live in the zef ecosystem |
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| Geth | ecosystem: b78478ad1d | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | META.list Freeze Web::App::MVC While we move it to the zef ecosystem |
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| Geth | ecosystem: d110116b44 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | META.list Freeze Web::App While we're moving it to the zef ecosystem |
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| Geth | ecosystem: 1d6f7b0485 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | META.list Freeze Color While we move it to the zef ecosystem |
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| Geth | problem-solving: lizmat assigned to codesections Issue Preparing the Raku Ecosystem for the Future github.com/Raku/problem-solving/issues/316 lizmat unassigned from codesections Issue Preparing the Raku Ecosystem for the Future github.com/Raku/problem-solving/issues/316 fa8010e006 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | solutions/meta/TheRakuFoundation.md Communicating the effective establishment of the Raku foundation (#300) * Communicating the effective establishment The Raku Foundation exists, so this closes #263 * Addressing @vrurg comments |
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| [Coke] | FSVO soon | 18:16 | |
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| Geth | doc: 6af6cb83f9 | (Daniel Sockwell)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | xt/aspell.t Make xt/aspell's output better/less verbose (#4036) This commit changes xt/aspell's output from a full list of all the suggestions aspell has for a word (frequently many lines of terminal output) and into a formatted list of misspelled words. |
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| Geth | ¦ problem-solving: vrurg assigned to codesections Issue Uniform approach to distributing important messages within Raku community github.com/Raku/problem-solving/issues/317 | 21:24 | |
| Xliff | Where does Bisectable keep it's builds? | 22:12 | |
| MasterDuke | shareable6: 2022.01 | 22:17 | |
| shareable6 | MasterDuke, whateverable.6lang.org/2022.01 | ||
| MasterDuke | Xliff: ^^^ there | ||
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| Nemokosch | I tend to mess up the diplomatics so this time I will just ask, please don't think that what I'm saying is meant in a bad way, more just random feedback | 22:21 | |
| so I was reading up on a problem solving issue (<github.com/Raku/problem-solving/issues/290>) and I bumped into an interesting statement | 22:22 | ||
| _We optimize for readers of the code before we optimize for the writers of code._ | |||
| And I was like... "Really? 🤔 " | 22:23 | ||
| It absolutely doesn't feel like that to me | |||
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| And honestly I even found it a nice trait of Raku that it's insanely prototyping-friendly and you can kind of "vent" with your code | 22:27 | ||
| MasterDuke | well, i say that's true compared to Perl, but maybe less so compared to (some/many/) other languages | 22:29 | |
| e.g., Raku regexes are more verbose than Perl regexes | 22:30 | ||
| Nemokosch | yes, regexes are pretty reader-friendly compared to most regex syntaxes (perhaps all I have seen) | 22:38 | |
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| but "magic variables" (I don't know if this is the right term, I mean $_ and $/ in particular) for example are rather tricky for someone not used to the Perl family | 22:42 | ||
| again, that doesn't mean they are bad, the topic variable is a bit like good old Pascal `with` for me, it removes unnecessary repetition of a term | |||
| for me it feels they are more for refactoring than easy readability | 22:44 | ||
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| MasterDuke | i wasn't around during the early parts of the language creation, but i wonder if timtoady has a slightly different sense of read the code than one might usually think. i.e., he's talked about being inspired by natural language constructs (e.g., postfix `if`, `unless`), maybe he is/was thinking of reading in a more general sense of understanding | 23:00 | |
| what's going on than knowing exactly how everything you read is implemented | |||
| so one might look at `$/<good-name-here>` and not know exactly *how* the contents of `$/` are populated, but if that name is in fact descriptive, you have a good guess at what's going on. compared to a fictitious example `match_result.named_matches.get('good-name-here')`, there's just a lot more stuff obscuring what you actually care about | 23:06 | ||
| but this is all just speculation on my part | |||
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| japhb | The list of magic variables is actually *much* reduced from Perl. And that was intentional. | 23:59 | |