tbrowder patrickb: looks interesting, and useful. if i understand it: i could put all my unpublished modules in a local ecosystem. if so, count me in as a user! 00:33
ugexe patrickb: glad things were able to just work. there should probably be some type of command line option for adding an ecosystem more easily as well, but I've procrastinated on that for a long time mostly due to hoping to find a solution that could generalize to the rest of the config file (i.e. it would also allow adding a new report or test module instead of a repository module). And similarly an 03:13
environment variable equivalent.
guifa any ideas for TPRC talks for me? 04:12
I was thinking about tracing my journey on multicast, but that's a fairly technical one and really would be predicated on it actually going into core which isn't guaranteed 04:13
kind of want a beginner and mid range talk idea too
patrickb ugexe: You are basically describing the Zef::Configuration dist. Is there anything beyond of what that dist provides you'd like to see? 10:30
guifa: Show off a nice module. E.g. create a nice UI using Gnome::GTK4 (ignoring the fact that this module is violating your no-boilerplate mantra pretty hard). 10:34
antononcube Oh, yeah, today is the last day for submissions to TPRC-2025 12:58
librasteve guifa: did you read codesection's post - maybe this will get the flow going - raku-advent.blog/2024/12/10/how-to...raku-talk/ 13:01
antononcube Some built-in subs like slurp seem to be extendable, i.e. I can define additional functionalities via mult sub slurp .... 13:37
It seems that is is-prime is not defined as a multi sub. Is there a place I can propose is-prime to become multi? Alternatively, I can just request is-prime to work with complex numbers and take the adverb :gaussian-integer. 13:39
lizmat antononcube core says: 14:16
proto sub is-prime($, *%) is pure {*}
multi sub is-prime(\x --> Int:D) { x.is-prime }
looks pretty multi to me ?
guifa patrickb: hmm, I´m not sure if I've actually released anything of particular interest this year. $day-job and $school have been pretty crazy 14:21
Ooh actually an interesting one could be comparison of Corinna with Raku classes 14:23
Would be a bit more of a bridge between the two communities and maybe get some of them thinking about Raku who haven't given it as much thought 14:24
antononcube @lizmat Thanks! I will see I could hook up my additions to is-prime. 14:26
@guifa Did you use Raku in $DAY-JOB and $SCHOOL? If yes, then talk about how. If not, then talk about how come. 14:27
guifa $day-job = teaching (and not tech) so it doesn't really come up there ha, sadly an easy answer 14:29
I think I'll hold off my Cro project for advent calendar probably, not sure it'll work for a talk format as much
timo teching and teaching are one of a ... away from each other 14:30
guifa timo-- for bad joke
lol
antononcube @guifa I remember I found your talk on making Raku packages helpful. (For example, I started using the directories "./xt" and "./doc" much more often, and many of my package functions are "multi".) 14:36
So, these kind of talks -- for example, how new comers can more easily "integrate" into the ecosystem -- should be always of iterest. 14:37
Actually, the question "how can I contribute" got posted in these channels at least 3 times in the last two-three months. 14:38
guifa oooh that's a good idea 14:39
how to contribute
timo i wrote an advent calendar post long long ago about my first time contribution experience. would be lovely to see more of that from others :) 14:52
perl6advent.wordpress.com/2013/12/...ntributor/ 14:53
lizmat :-) 15:00
guifa Okay three talks submitted 15:12
ugexe patrickb: the hard part isn't hard coding a bunch of stuff to handle the config. it is designing the general configuration in a way that is generalized enough to e.g. have CLI commands just fall out of it. for example if i add a new config section Foo with some values that a --config-foo=... config flag would Just Work without having to hard code that in 15:55
patrickb Ah, got it. 15:56
ugexe that is simple enough for top level keys with simple values, but is obviously complicated by the fact that e.g. Repository section is an array of hash
[Coke] me: oh, maybe I should submit a talk at tprc just in case... missed it by 30m 16:27
I wasn't planning on it, we'll see if there's any open slots after the first wave. 16:28
will there be any RSC folks attending?
any raku folks attending, please add your names here: github.com/perlconference/tprc-202...i/Raku-BOF 16:29
guifa Coke: they tend to open up one more round, but also maybe contact Util directly 16:43
jdv recently chilled with a former colleague where they used to do perl but now he does python. he said something like "its really too bad raku isn't there yet" 16:47
[Coke] guifa: done
jdv at least rando people still remember it:)
[Coke] jdv: I try to ask stuff like "what's stopping you from using it today?" in situations like that. 16:48
lizmat it's there if they want it :-)
[Coke] I suspect a lot of non-use is a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. :|
guifa Writing a server using Cro for my project last semester was butter smooth. I just needed a simple server that could manage state and some simple async background calls.
jdv well, this particular use case is the core of a very large cms so stability, perf, maturity - if i remember i'll ask
guifa which if I get my new $day-job (fingers crossed!) I might have the resources to really polish the living mess out of it 16:49
jdv also it might be that had raku been where it is now back when this particular project was formed... that was 2018ish... 16:50
rewriting now is probably not realistic to the biz
nothing special. just thought i'd share a rando recent datapoint in the wild 16:51
lizmat a nice list of stuff that could go into a module, if not in core already: x.com/PhysInHistory/status/1879230133443203198 17:30
[Coke] raku-knowledge-base.podlite.org is returning higher in results than raku.land on a DDG search for modules 19:12
timo that must be the power of having all modules on a single page 19:14
[Coke] japhb: github.com/japhb/Terminal-LineEditor/pull/9 19:16
japhb [Coke]: Saw it, merged it, thanks! 19:59
timo don't forget to also push a release 20:03
msiism `-16 div 7` evaluates to `-3` in Raku, but `Int(-16 / 7)` to `-2`. Why then, is `div` not implemented as `Int($x / $y)`? 22:07
timo github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/blob/dd98...erp.c#L659 implementation for native ints, github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/blob/dd98...ops.c#L583 implementation for bigints 22:12
documentation says "Does an integer division, rounded down." 22:13
msiism Oh, okay. 22:14
[Coke] whereas docs.raku.org/type/Num#method_Int - "no rounding is performed" 22:15
timo indeed, that's truncation instead 22:16
msiism I'm not sure I actually get the difference. 22:18
Wouldn't rounding mean that you'll have to start rounding up at a certain point? 22:20
If you keep "rounding down" at and beyond .5, then that's practically no different that truncation, is it? 22:22
timo there's a difference between "round towards 0" and "round towards -inf"
[Coke] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding#Rou...to_integer 22:34
msiism Okay, I see the difference now. 22:40
antononcube Well, I am not coming to TPRC-2025 -- the overlapping event is too "protective" of my time. 23:04

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